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The Daily Shoutout: Phil Simms was right. Sort of

Posted on: October 27, 2011 11:12 am
OPENING HIT: Phil Simms said on Showtime's Inside the NFL that quarterback Peyton Manning would never allow the drafting of Andrew Luck."There is no way if Peyton Manning is given a clean bill of health -- I'm going to go on that assumption -- that he is going to let them draft Andrew Luck," Simms said.

Now, Simms has a point. Manning is a competitor and the last thing Manning wants to do is welcome the guy who is going to take his job. Manning is also a competitor, not a wet nurse. Can you see Manning as Batman and Luck as Robin? No? Me neither. Manning would probably give Luck the Brett Favre treatment. Favre treated Aaron Rodgers like Rodgers was a member of the Taliban.

But this is where Simms is wrong. Bill Polian is one of the greatest talent evaluators this league has ever known or ever will know. He's also extremely arrogant. Anyone who thinks Bill Freaking Polian is going to let a player tell him who to draft -- even a player like Manning -- doesn't know Polian. Polian don't play that.

There is also precedent for this. Dan Reeves and John Elway came to despise one another when both were in Denver. Remember, there was no more powerful players and bigger names at his height than Elway's. But that didn't stop Reeves from drafting Tommy Maddox.

Organizations don't do what's in the interest of one player they do what's in the best interest of the team. If the Colts are in position to draft Luck they are drafting Luck. It's a guarantee. It's as close to a lock as the sun rising and Tebow leading in clicks.

The real issue isn't if the Colts would draft Luck. The real issue is what I mentioned above.

How would Manning treat Luck?
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Since: Apr 14, 2011
Posted on: November 6, 2011 9:30 pm

The Daily Shoutout: Phil Simms was right. Sort of

Long live Matt Millen.  The Colts have to draft Luck if they have the first overall pick.  There is no guarantee Manning will recover from this kind of neck injury.  Steve Young and Joe Montana probably did not exchange Christmas cards, but the 49ers were able to win a lot of football games when Montana became a Chief.  On another note, do the Colts fire Jim Caldwell?  They can't keep a winless coach, even if they lost their franchise qb for the season.  The Colts should go after Bill Cowher in the offseason and get the coaching situation resolved.  There is no way a team can be two years from a Super Bowl and become as inept as they are.

Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: October 28, 2011 6:16 pm

The Daily Shoutout: Phil Simms was right. Sort of

QB17 wrote: "Any GM can excel when he is at the top of each round. It's how he does when he is near the bottom that is the true measure of genious." Thank God! Those Matt Millen years must've been a dream. Whew! What a relief.

Since: Oct 28, 2011
Posted on: October 28, 2011 5:13 pm

The Daily Shoutout: Phil Simms was right. Sort of

Any GM can excel when he is at the top of each round. It's how he does when he is near the bottom that is the true measure of genious.

Since: Oct 24, 2011
Posted on: October 27, 2011 9:21 pm

The Daily Shoutout: Phil Simms was right. Sort of

And not to be mean, but dont get so high on the young QBs. Vince Young looked great his first year. Akili Smith Was very good his first year, Kordell Stewart, same thing Scott Mitchell. Rex Grossman. we see young QBs flash in the pan and show not even a spark later. Defenses adjust, that is the biggest factor, but there are many. Sorry if I sound rude, I just keep coming up with more. Matt Cassel is terrible in KC with a great WR, David Carr? Hes a third stringer in SF right? Tim Couch had a decent first year (for a rookie). Chad Pennington, he was the greatest NY QB since Namath right?

Again I am really not trying to sound like an a$$, but there are so many examples of not just high draft picks, but guys who flashed and shined for a year or two then faded away to futility. Then there are those like the Brad Johnsons and Dilfers who are good enough QBs their whole career. We may be looking at two or three of them from the list, see Flacco, Ryan, and Cutler. Rodgers is great, Rivers, Roethlisberger, and brees evolved the game. Eli Manning is the poster boy for family power. Freeman will be up and down a la cunningham, Stafford will be the Jim Kelly of his era, overshadowed but great, and Newton, lets just say I'm not a buyer just yet.

Since: Oct 24, 2011
Posted on: October 27, 2011 9:11 pm

The Daily Shoutout: Phil Simms was right. Sort of

The Jason White/ Troy smith examples are my point. In their Junior years of college they were the greatest QBs since elway, then reality took its toll, they played real teams, got injured, aand defenses adjusted. They ended up being nothing at the NFL level. As far as rivers and Ben, they were drafted in the first rounds, but both were expected to bust, especially rivers. They were both highly unconventional and had poor mechanics. The rest of teh "young guns" you mention are average at best, with the exception of Rodgers, who is to his team what Manning is to the colts. Yes, Flacco and Cutler have been to conference title games, and Eli has won a bowl. The problem with that is, all three teams are built on D and running, and now that they are expecting to be passing teams they are very average. News Flash.... Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer have won titles in the last 10 super bowls.
Anyway, what I am saying is that avery 3rd year we hear about "the next" manning or elway or brady in college, but they usually go undrafted or in late rounds, when they are "sure bets" early in college. He11, we even see it in the NFL every year- some stud rookie or young QB who is "great" like Ryan and Flacco and the whole plethora. The problem is, when you really look, they are very very very average. I'm not saying Luck IS a bust or that he won't be good, but we hear it ALL the time.. Remember Matt Leinert? half of NFL QB success is finding the right system fit, the other half is learning the game.
Why would a team draft a guy like Luck to have him sit behind a guy who very could have 5-8 GOOD years left. It makes much more sense to trade the picks and shore up more of your team, then, a year or two before you actually NEED the young guy, go take the gamble on the first round pick and see what his team demeanor is. If hes willing to sit and learn you just might have the next Rodgers or Brady.

Since: Jan 14, 2007
Posted on: October 27, 2011 8:50 pm

The Daily Shoutout: Phil Simms was right. Sort of

peyton manning is a sissy doll and just needs to retire. i got tired of watching him chuck and duck at the end of last year. he throws the ball away too fast and sometime even takes phantom sacks to avoid getting hit. some people say he's smart, i say he's chicken shtt. colts should draft luck and trade peyton to the highest bidder. if a team gives up 2 #1 picks for palmer, the colts should parlay that into a hershel walker type deal for manning. when he comes back at 36-37 he'll be a jim everett 2.0, peg legged wussy boy.

Since: Aug 17, 2008
Posted on: October 27, 2011 8:48 pm

The Daily Shoutout: Phil Simms was right. Sort of

You're obviously entitled to your opinion about whether or not they should draft Luck, but the QBs you listed as "safe bets" and "aren't ready/career back-ups" are pretty bad. Jason White was undrafted and Troy Smith was drafted in the 5h round, so they were extremely far from safe bets.. As for the QBs you mentioned as not ready or expected career back-ups, Brees was the first pick of the second round. Rivers was the fourth overall pick of the draft with Roethblisberger going 11th overall. Plus, you neglected to mention Aaron Rodgers, Jay Cutler, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, and Josh Freeman who were all first round picks and have all played fairly well to excellent over the years. Mark Sanchez has looked good at times and Matthew Stafford has been pretty good this year. Plus, Cam Newton looks like a future star. Really, the drafting of QBs in the first round hasn't been so bad over the past 7 years. There have been as many or more good QBs than bad.

Since: May 11, 2007
Posted on: October 27, 2011 8:27 pm

The Daily Shoutout: Phil Simms was right. Sort of

"Bill Polian is one of the greatest talent evaluators this league has ever known or will know"

This statement may be true, but judging by this season, he`s done one of the worse General managing jobs the league has EVER seen. To soley rely on ONE player is just stupidity.

As for goober having an issue with them drafing Luck, they should remind him of a couple of things, first, his carrer is a few years from ending, and they must think about life without him and the big one, he doesn`t write the checks, if he doesn`t like it, then no one is keeping him from walking away.

Since: Oct 24, 2011
Posted on: October 27, 2011 8:02 pm

The Daily Shoutout: Phil Simms was right. Sort of

Sorry about that, I thought it didnt post the first one... disregard the second lol

Since: Oct 24, 2011
Posted on: October 27, 2011 8:01 pm

The Daily Shoutout: Phil Simms was right. Sort of

Manning is NOT done after this year. Or next. or in five years. Bottom line, Manning is NOT a fragile little boy. He has Longevity, which is because of his intelligence. He doesnt take a lot of real shots, and plays like a 32 year old QB, which he has his ENTIRE career. He will be playing a LONG time after this season. The Colts still have a chance to develop Painter, now that he has some real playing time. The colts have OL issues, and it dont really matter who is behind that line, Manning is the ONLY one that can survive back there. At this point in Manning's career, I would say he still gives the colts at least 5 more years after he returns. That means the colts can wait another 4 years to finally be able to get a OL in place so the next QB doesn't get as killed as we are seeing painter get. In 4 or 5 Years we will see another Luck in the college football ranks. Remember Troy Smith? how about Brady Quinn? Isnt he Tim Tebow's backup? Jamarcus Russell? Total Lock. Vince Young? Sure to lead a team to playoff success. Thats how often guys like Luck do actually come around. It doesnt matter what you do in the college ranks.. ask Colt Brennan, Jared Zabransky and Jason White. The real bottom line is the Colts can get 2-3 Great picks if they get the chance for luck in a trade. Then in 4 years, when Mannings departure is actually imminent, the Colts can get a QB. Until then there is no chance for Luck to be a colt. Period

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