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Elway still not sold on Tebow?

Posted on: January 2, 2012 10:01 am

In late December the Broncos' general manager, John Elway, gave Tim Tebow the dreaded vote of confidence.

"Tim Tebow's not going anywhere," Elway told the Associated Press. "I mean, he's going to be a Bronco and we're going to do everything we can and hopefully he's that guy."

Hopefully he's that guy.

While I'm sure Elway wasn't lying I'm told by several league and team officials Elway continues to have significant concerns about whether or not Tebow can be a franchise quarterback despite Elway's public protestations to the contrary.

It's understandable. Elway would have to be a fool not to have second thoughts after the past three games by Tebow. He's committed seven turnovers in the past three games, all Broncos losses. The rest of the league has clearly adapted to him by shutting down Tebow's running lanes and Tebow has a difficult time throwing an accurate pass.

I'm told none of this has gone unnoticed by Elway and the doubts about Tebow are creeping in--if they ever left. It's not exactly a state secret that Elway has never been comfortable with the entire Tebow phenomenon.

Elway may deny this (he has to now) but it's accurate and presents a huge mess for the legendary quarterback who has done a good job of rebuilding the team.

Now he has to somehow deal with what is clearly a mess.


Category: NFL
Tags: Broncos, NFL, Tebow

Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: January 5, 2012 11:26 am

Elway still not sold on Tebow?

By all means, thomas, take your cues from my stalker. Live in the Walter Middy World of Denial. I don't know if you've met my stalker yet. He follows me around like a lost puppy, minus the likeability, yapping at my heels. He used to address me directly, but after I called him out on being a stalker and a troll, he started following me around and making comments about me to others - as if that's any less pathetic. In fact, it might be even worse, which I didn't think was possible.

Anyway, the bottom line is that good players are on bad teams all the time. Happens every year. When it's an epic, Hall of Fame type like Peyton Manning, they can take a terrible team like the Colts and make them contenders. When it's just a solid guy like Orton, it's not enough. Hell, it's not enough even with other good players, too. I mean, in 2010, DJ Williams had 119 total tackles and 5.5 sacks. Not too shabby. But the defense ranked dead last in yards allowed and points allowed (something my stalker refuses to admit, which tells you how much credibility he has). I'd cite a running back, but they all sucked. The running game was 26th in the league, by the way.

That's how a good player can be pulling his weight on a bad team and the team still loses. DJ Williams isn't crap, but the Broncos were still 4-12. That's the point of individual stats, you see. It allows coaches (and fans who aren't blinded by prejudice, ignorance and stupidity) to tell the difference between the good players and the bad. Orton's league-leading 2010 performance was good. The Broncos in general were bad. It's pretty simple when you actually look at it:

2010 Defense
Yards allowed: 32nd
Points allowed: 32nd
Turnovers: 30th
1st Downs: 27th

Pretty dismal, eh? How do you win when your defense can't stop anybody?

2010 Offense
Total yards (Broncos offense as a whole): 13th
Rush yards (Broncos' running game): 26th
Pass yards (Kyle Orton): 7th

Notice how Kyle Orton pulled the entire offense up from the running game's 26th to 13th overall with his arm alone? Oh, and he did that in 13 games, at least 2 of which he played injured.

As for points, the Broncos were 19th. Not great, but better than 4-12. When you rank 19th in points but finish with the 2nd worst record in the league, that usually means the defense is dragging your team down. And as we have seen, they did drag the Broncos down, finishing dead last overall. Aaron Rodgers can make that work, but there are maybe 3 other guys in the league even close to his level, and all of them are Canton-bound. All the other, good-but-not-great QBs - Romo, Rivers, Eli Mannnng, etc - can't make that work.

Now, this is the point at which the Orton bashers like to trot out the tired lie about Orton being great between the 20's but awful in the red zone, and that's why the Broncos went 4-12! This time for sure! He throws for tons of yards, but he doesn't punch it in inside the 20!

Except it's crap. As of the beginning of this year, Kyle Orton was the #2 QB in the red zone. That means 3 of those elite, Hall-of-Fame-caliber guys were less good in the red zone than Kyle Orton. Is he better than they are? No. But he's obviously better in the red zone than his detractors say. Of the 71 career TDs Orton passed for (up to the beginning of this year), 52 were in the red zone. That's a pretty high percentage (73.2) of red zone TDs for someone who can't get it done inside the 20.

Next we have the "garbage time" argument: Orton only scores in garbage time! More crap. Of the aforementioned 71 TD passes, 20 came in the 1st quarter, 17 in the 2nd, 17 in the 3rd, and 17 in the 4th. Is the whole game garbage time?

After that, it gets a little ridiculous, cherry-picking stats and making even crazier stuff up. I'm talking full-on, reality-bending, not-one-iota-of-evidence-to-back-it

-up, WarnertoHolt kind of loony. Crazy stuff, like saying Orton's no good because of the 3 years he was the designated starter for his team, neither the Bears nor the Broncos made the playoffs. As if the playoffs are determined retroactively by the quality of the quarterback on each team. Last I looked, entry into the postseason was determined by win/loss record and division standings. My stalker's way, the Conference Championships would always be Packers vs Saints and Colts vs Patriots.

After that, it just gets sad: Neckbeard! Noodle-arm! Neener neener!

Since: Jun 12, 2009
Posted on: January 5, 2012 1:25 am

Elway still not sold on Tebow? need to let it go....he will never come around.  Orton has a .500 record as a quarterback in the NFL for a reason...and he has no playoff experience in seven seasons...although he quarterbacked a Bears team that Rex Grossman led to the Super Bowl....Orton = Mediocrity.....not hating on the guy...just calling it what it is....LotusMagLite refuses to recognize facts....he wants to continually blame everyone and everything else but Orton.  I am unsure if he has a thing for Orton or if he just likes playing the devil's advocate because surely any sane person recognizes that Kyle Orton is at his best standing on the sideline with a clipboard in his hand.  He will be out of the league within two seasons.

Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: January 4, 2012 4:47 pm

Elway still not sold on Tebow?

Sure he had a good game against the Packers, but really....that was the ONLY good game he had all year.
Really? So his 111 passer rating, 2 TD and no INT dissection of the Bengals wasn't good? This is why you think it looks like I have a "thing" for Orton: I'm not blindly bashing him but instead looking at what actually happened. In truth, it's people like you who have a "thing" for Orton, and it's called hate. You have absolutely no idea what you're saying, just failing away at what you clearly don't understand and obviously despise.
And as I've stated before in responding to your posts......stats do not equate into wins.
But they do equate to performance. Wins are TEAM efforts. Player stats are INDIVIDUAL efforts. Again, you don't seem to grasp the simplest concepts about football. When a player has good stats but his team loses, you look at what the rest of the team is doing. In the case of 2010, the rest of the team was sucking big time. A Defense that ranked dead last in yards and points allowed. A rushing game that Kyle Orton outperformed. That's how bad it was: Orton, the human statue, had a better rushing average than Denver's top 4 HBs in 2010.

But for some reason you are enamored with least when it comes to Orton.
See above, and learn something about the game of football. If you want to talk suck, talk the 2010 Denver Broncos. If you want to talk good players, talk Orton, Dumervil, etc. Does 4-12 mean that DJ Williams and Champ Bailey suck? No, that standard only gets applied to Orton, the one guy who did anything on offense.

And despite this continued insistence on denying reality, you claim I'm the one who has a "thing". Project much?

Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: January 4, 2012 10:45 am

Elway still not sold on Tebow?

LOL Orton who is that! The guy who led the league in passing for most of last year and beat the Packers this year with a team he'd been on for about 6.4 minutes. Gee Lotus, I'm really starting to think that either you have a "thing" for Orton, or you are Orton. Sure he had a good game against the Packers, but really....that was the ONLY good game he had all year. And as I've stated before in responding to your posts......stats do not equate into wins. But for some reason you are enamored with least when it comes to Orton. Nice try Kyle. You still aren't with a damn as an NFL QB.

Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: January 4, 2012 1:43 am

Elway still not sold on Tebow?

That's a good theory about Tebow being traded to Jacksonville. Good win win for everybody.  Although that being said, I can't say for certain Denver would want Gabbert, although he probably deserves the benefit of another 2-3 years before making a true assessment.

I'm a pretty big Tebow supporter but I don't know if he can play in this system.  Fox is out of control with the conservative game calling.  Tebow does need to play from the gun and they could work in alot more little dump passes with him on the move than they are currently doing.  He could also be a nice change of pace quarterback if some team wanted to buck the system and push the envelope.

I still think he brings a lot to the table, so he shouldn't be discarded recklessly.  He puts butts in seats and he has played exceptionally well under pressure.

Since: Feb 8, 2008
Posted on: January 3, 2012 11:27 am

Elway still not sold on Tebow?

Comparing Elway's stats in his first year to Tebow is very misleading.  But like I said:  I hope you guys keep him for 3-4 years at least.  It'd be great for the rest of the AFC.  

Since: Oct 12, 2009
Posted on: January 3, 2012 11:17 am

This writer FREEMAN sucks ass....

How do you keep your job? What a lame ass note ....

Since: Aug 28, 2006
Posted on: January 3, 2012 11:07 am

Elway still not sold on Tebow?

You are right to a certain degree but the difference between the quarterbacks you named and tebow is they all could throw the ball...Tebow can't throw!

Since: Feb 8, 2008
Posted on: January 3, 2012 10:42 am

Elway still not sold on Tebow?

I really hope the Broncos consider Teblow a project because it pretty much ensures they'll suck for the next 3-4 years.  

Since: Jan 3, 2012
Posted on: January 3, 2012 9:46 am

Elway still not sold on Tebow?

Maybe Elway isn't happy with Tebow because he is outperforming him in his FIRST season as a starting QB. Since when is it expected that a QB come in and win the Super Bowl as rookie starter. Elway went 4-6 his first year with 7 TDs and 14 INTs. Aaron Rodgers 6-10 his first year as a starter. Neither one of those two guys led their 1-4 team to the playoffs when they got handed the ball. Seriously, everyone wants immediate results now a days and it's not going to happen. You have to crawl before you can walk.

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