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Miller says Woods should heave Haney swing

Posted on: May 5, 2010 4:20 pm

PONTE VEDRA BEACH, Fla. -- The collateral damage absorbed in the Tiger Woods camp over the arc of his off-the-course scandal has been considerable, with various employees and confidants being dragged into the mix over the past six months. On Wednesday, a new name was officially tossed into the conversational blender.

NBC Sports analyst Johnny Miller, speaking in a national teleconference to promote this week's broadcast of the Players Championship, said that Woods' work over the past six years with swing coach Hank Haney is no longer passing muster and that the world No. 1 should start over from scratch.

Anytime Miller begins a sentence with a qualifier that indicates what follows might be interpreted as brash, you can bet he has a bullet in the chamber that he's about to fire -- and that somebody better duck.

"It might be a little harsh, but I really believe he needs to, every night, watch the U.S. Open in the year 2000 at Pebble and just copy that swing and forget the Haney stuff," Miller said. "I mean, that was the best golf anybody has ever played in history.

"That's something he can copy, the tempo, the position at the top of the backswing, the follow-through position ... His tempo was much better then and he should literally say, 'I am turning back the clock and I am not going to think of anything and I can remember what I was working on then.'

"He needs a new, fresh, either teacher or just go back to what is natural to his game. What he is working on now, I believe is, no disrespect for Hank Haney, but it is not working. And sometimes when it is not working, sometimes you have to get off the fork in the road and get back to what brung you there and what won all these championships for him.

"He needs to do that and if he was here right now I would tell it right to his face."

We're guessing Woods and Haney will get wind of the comments regardless. Woods, working with Butch Harmon at the time, won the 2000 Open by 15 shots in what has roundly been called the greatest week-long performance of the modern era.

Haney, who tends to bristle when criticism of Woods' results is tossed about, will have a point if he objects to the Miller characterization that Woods' game has suffered. Last year, Woods posted the third-lowest scoring average of his career at 68.05 shots, despite coming off reconstructive knee surgery. Woods won six times last year worldwide.

Say what you want about Haney's swing teachings, but it seems premature to pin Woods' current struggles on the coach when Woods had played four live rounds in five-plus months before he missed the cut last week in Charlotte, N.C. Haney's not the reason that Woods took 144 days off between tournaments, or that his mental state is as fragile as a robin's egg and his game isn't much stronger.

Miller particularly noted that Woods' inability to put the ball in the fairway represents a huge hole in his arsenal.
"I have to believe he is a little rusty," said Miller, a Hall of Famer. "If you want to have a tough time, Tiger, before, hit a lot of balls to the right. When you get on a tee and you look left and that's not good and you look right and that's not good, it's like panic goes on.

"There's no clue [with Woods] as to where it's going. Then you top it off with the personal stuff and I don't think any of us can comprehend what he's battling there. I don't know the ins of what's going on but there is a lot of turmoil and you add that with a bad driver and it's quite a 1-2 punch.

"Most everybody in the golfing world wanted to be Tiger Woods not too long ago and now they are not sure. He's going through a tough time. To have the David Duval-type syndrome where your driver just leaves you, boy, that's a lonely place to be even if your home life is good."

Even for those us us who have been tough on Woods, that's a particularly rough appraisal.

Fellow analyst Gary Koch noted a red flag when Woods hockey-slapped at putts in his final round at both the Masters and Quail Hollow, an uncharacteristically reckless move that underscored apparent issues with concentration.

"I don't think it is anywhere near what it was before all this stuff happened," Koch said. "When was the last time you saw him halfway hit putts where he really didn't care if they went in or not? To me, that shows a mind that is not settled, not at ease and not at peace and out of his normal routine of how he goes about things."


Since: Dec 11, 2006
Posted on: May 8, 2010 7:00 pm

Miller says Woods should heave Haney swing

Miller has a lot of history, broaching both the pre 1970 era and well up into the 1990's.
He last won on tour at the Bing Crosy, in the early 1990's, deep into his 40's.
His golf game has only been compromised by a poor putter. His iron shots have ALWAYS
been pure as gold.

As a winner on the PGA tour. He has won the British Open and the US Open.
In his prime, and for many years in the last 1970's into the 1980's, he was considered the
finest iron player of his or perhaps any era.
His swing and setup may not have been picture perfect, and certainly can;'t compare with
Tiger at his best, but his results during the 5 years from 1977-1982 were as good as most anyone
for a comparable 5 year period.
Having said that, it is important for those Johnny - haters to understand that Johnny says what is
on his mind, not because he intends to hurt or be a pain, but because he is what golf has 
allowed him to become: the foremost golf commentator of his era.
Sure many can't stand him, but it is important to separate your hate of him from the
comments. he knows golf, whether you agree or not, and he may be right.
i would not be surprised to see Tiger move in the direction Miller suggests.

Since: Nov 9, 2008
Posted on: May 8, 2010 4:25 pm

Miller says Woods should heave Haney swing

I thought Hank Haney's response to Johnny Miller was outstanding. Haney pointe
d out that Tiger had actually doubled both his Top 10 Finishes and Tournament winning percentages since being hired by Woods. That response in and of itself is also indicative of Hank (who can be cocky!) Haney's class as he didn't rip Miller (as he could have) in return.

I for the most part like Johnny Miller's commentary on the broadcasts of PGA Tour events but sometimes he says stupid things off the air. Guess it's the price we all have to pay for supporting the advertisers on NBC that in turn support the Tour.   

Since: Oct 1, 2007
Posted on: May 8, 2010 12:23 am

Miller says Woods should heave Haney swing

Well being a Tiger fan this last off season of his was harder to take than the last one. Sure I was disappointed in what Tiger did as Billy Payne properly exclaimed as are many people who rooted for him previously.  I still say the jury's out on this one, whether his "swing has left him" really comes to pass over the next few tournaments is yet to be seen.  Let's see, Tiger has completed thus far in 2010 8 rounds of competetive golf as of May 7.  Yeah, it did baffle me as to why he gave up on Harmon after achieving 4 consecutive majors, but it was his choice to do so.  How many times does this guy need to fix his swing?  That should tell you something.....Besides his personal life, that too is not working....for the moment.

Since: Sep 27, 2006
Posted on: May 7, 2010 9:58 pm

Miller says Woods should heave Haney swing

>>>Can yall really not find anything else to write about?

It's y'all.

Since: Jul 17, 2009
Posted on: May 7, 2010 8:53 pm

Miller says Woods should heave Haney swing

now who sounds like the little shit behind the computer?
by the way, you left off Byron Nelson!!

Since: Mar 11, 2010
Posted on: May 6, 2010 7:13 pm

Miller says Woods should heave Haney swing


Nice post did it take you all day to come up with that to make yourself feel good. I hope so. And when I come across your handle as you call it I will go right by it because I dont want to smell like shit. Thats what your post is to me. Anytime someone has a different view or an opinion than you you will react the same way. You have proven my point about how others react if someone dosent agree with them. You have to start the name calling your not grown up enough to criticize someone without calling them ignorant. Again you have proven my point. You can throw all of Johnnys stats at me that you want it means nothing. For everyone of you that thinks he is one of the greatest I can come up with 10 people that thinks he is an idiot. Again I will be glad to safely pass by your handle because I know that there is no danger of missing anything that means anything. So please move on to some place else and use your name calling there. For every 10 good post there will be one post like yours and that is a post about nothing complete rubbish. Again all this is my opinion and I am entitled to have it just like you. CBSSPORTS lets you post your rubbish why cant I post my opinions. Anytime Johnny speaks I hit the mute because 99% of the time he is patting his self on the back and telling everyone how great he is. I highly doubt that anyone is taking you serious and I hope for your sake you dont take yourself to serious. How about this I will pat you and Johnny both on the back does that make you feel better. I think I will start a Johnny is the greatest of all time thread. I will hold the first spot for you. See how easy it is to write something without calling someone a name for not agreeing with you. Try it sometime and you will have some credibility to your post. Thank God I dont have to put up with your rubbish after this. All I'm trying to say to everyone is it is OK to criticize me or anyone else we are all big boys and can handle it just do it without the name calling. Thats all I'm saying. Before I go Johnny really is the best golfer that has ever played the game.

Since: Sep 22, 2006
Posted on: May 6, 2010 6:33 pm

Miller says Woods should heave Haney swing

vranger, thanks for the ignorant rubbish. I don't think I've ever been put to sleep that quickly.

Since: Jan 3, 2007
Posted on: May 6, 2010 4:15 pm

Miller says Woods should heave Haney swing

AHHHH, I finally see where Mr. uk96 is coming from. He has yet to learn that when discussing something like this, you can comment on it in one of three ways:

1. Statements of fact. When you read things like "Johnny Miller had 25 PGA Tour victories", that is a statement of fact which shows that he played professional golf with more success than only 22 other players in the HISTORY of the game.

2. Informed opinion. Informed opinions are inference or conjecture based on a solid knowledge of facts. For example, the statement "Johnny Miller knows a lot about the golf swing" is an inference based on the fact that he won more tournaments than only 22 other players in the HISTORY of the game. In fact, I would be happy to take swing advice from any of the top 23,000 players in the history of the game, so number 23 is on solid ground.

3. Ignorant rubbish. Read back over your posts under this blog. They are great examples of this. When you have no idea what the facts are, pretty much no knowledge about the history of the game, and not much knowledge about the game itself, yet you insist that your 'opinions' are as valid as facts or informed opinions, you are spouting ignorant rubbish. Numbers 1 and 2 above explain why any opinion is not the equal of any other opinion, especially when what is being disputed is not opinion at all, but facts. LOL (Get it? Facts are not opinions. Actual facts cannot be disputed or argued).

Now, pretty much every message board allows people to make posts that consist of nothing more than ignorant rubbish. The boards themselves do not make value judgements on the validity of posts, and for that reason you often see about a 10 to 1 ratio of ignorant rubbish to fact or informed opinion. What you risk when you post ignorant rubbish is just what you've accomplished here. You show yourself to have not only been ignorant in the first place, but also incapable of learning from statements of fact that corrected your initial post, which was chock full of ignorant statements. For that reason the knowledgeable readers of the message board now understand that when they see your 'handle' by a post, they can safely pass it by, knowing that there is no danger they will miss any 'opinion' or information of value, because you have none to offer.


Since: Mar 11, 2010
Posted on: May 6, 2010 11:48 am

Miller says Woods should heave Haney swing


Thank you. Finally someone with some common sense. Great post. Tiger could win with my swing but untill he fixes what is between his ears he couldnt win if Johnny worked with him 24/7. And yes Johnny is entitled to his opinion just like all of us. Dosent mean Johnny knows all just because he spoke.

Since: May 16, 2007
Posted on: May 6, 2010 11:30 am

Miller says Woods should heave Haney swing

Helloooo out there...

It ain't the swing sportsfans

Right now it is between the ears.

Tiger has blown up his family by being young and stupid.

His golf game is paying the price and will until everything "between the ears" is fixed.

I mean, hockey puck slapping at putts?

BTW - Miller is qualified to comment, he may be right - he may be wrong - but he is qualified.

Tiger will take it or leave it.

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