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The BCS and Big 12 South breakdown

Posted on: November 23, 2008 10:09 am
Edited on: November 23, 2008 4:02 pm

The BCS doesn't come out until after 7 p.m. ET on Sunday but here's a best guess of how the top five will look.

1. Alabama

2. Texas

3. Oklahoma

4. Florida

5. Utah

6. USC

7. Texas Tech

Both human polls (Harris and coaches) have put Oklahoma ahead of Texas which should cause some consternation in certain quarters. The Longhorns beat the Sooners but OU obviously is playing better than anyone in the country with the possible exception of Florida.

"Hopefully they (voters) forget about that," Oklahoma linebacker Austin Box when reminded that his team lost to Texas.

For now, they have.

--Now the skinny on the three-way tie in the Big 12 South ... Who would you pick right now?


Why they're in this position:  Blake Gideon, Graham Harrell and Michael Crabtree.

Texas had Tech beat in Lubbock until it gave the ball back with 1:29 left in the Nov. 1 game. Harrell was able to drive the team down for the game-winning touchdown with one second left. But that was only after Gideon, a Texas defensive back, dropped a tipped pass that would have ended Tech's drive.

Crabtree made an amazing catch against double coverage and tight-roped the sidelines into the end zone for a 39-33 victory.

Ranked teams beaten (ranking at time of kickoff): No. 1 Oklahoma 45-35; No. 11 Missouri 56-31; No. 7 Oklahoma State 28-24.

Common opponent with other two teams: Defeated Kansas 35-7.

Schedule strength (Sagarin): No. 5 (up from No. 7 last week)

BCS ranking going into Sunday: No. 3

Argument for:  Defeated three teams ranked in the top 11, including No. 1 Oklahoma. Colt McCoy is this year's version of Tim Tebow leading the Horns in rushing and passing. Will Muschamp's defense might not be impressive statistically but it is a big play group and is coming off its best performance of the season against Kansas.

Argument against: Not much of one except that it didn't play on Saturday while Oklahoma got all the national love. If Texas doesn't get to the Big 12 title game it will be because of a six-point loss on the road with one second left against Texas Tech.

Regular-season game remaining: Thursday vs. Texas A&M


Texas Tech

Why they're in this position: Worst game of the season came at the worst possible time.

Ranked teams beaten (ranking at time of kickoff): No. 19 Kansas 63-21; No. 1 Texas 39-33; No. 8 Oklahoma State 56-20.

Common opponent with other two teams:  Defeated Kansas 63-21.

Schedule strength (Sagarin): No. 19 (up from No. 50 last week)

BCS ranking going into Sunday: No. 2

Argument for: Defeated No. 1 (Texas), last week's Heisman frontrunner (Harrell) and the nation's best receiver (Crabtree). But there's more than this high-flying offense. Texas Tech has been well -rounded most of the season with a serviceable running game and effective defense. Until Saturday.

Suddenly Tech has the best schedule strength of the three jumping from No. 50 to No. 19. Until Saturday, Utah State has played a tougher overall schedule than Texas Tech.

Argument against: You can't lose by 44 on national television on Nov. 22 and expect to play for a national championship, much less a Big 12 title.

But both are still a possibility.

Regular-season game remaining: Saturday vs. Baylor


Why they're in this position:  Colt McCoy. Texas' quarterback had a career day on Oct. 11. The Sooners led by five with 12 minutes but were outscored 15-0 down the stretch the day in beating Oklahoma.

Other than that, Kansas (14) has been the only team to get within 22 points of OU.

Ranked teams beaten (ranked at the time of kickoff): No. 24 TCU, 35-10; No. 2 Texas Tech, 65-21.

Common opponent with other two teams: Defeated Kansas 45-31.

Schedule strength (Sagarin): No. 26 (up from No. 42 last week)

BCS ranking going into Sunday: No. 5

Argument for: Playing the best right now. OU has laid waste to its opponents since losing to Texas. It has won successive games by 14, 23, 34, 38 and 44 points.

Sam Bradford leads the country in touchdown passes and seems to be the new Heisman leader.

Argument against: Beat Tech which beat Texas which beat Oklahoma. Oh no, here we go again.

Regular-season game remaining: Saturday at Oklahoma State


Since: Apr 1, 2007
Posted on: November 25, 2008 1:20 pm

The BCS and Big 12 South breakdown

If the Big 12 had the same rules as most of the other conferences(I know they don't) then this tie would be broken by dropping the games played against 1-AA teams, then the team with the Highest Winning percentage is your champion.  OU played 1 1-AA team and Tech played 2 1-AA teams and Texas played no 1-AA teams.  Texas would be the conference champion by virtue of having the Highest winning percentage.  I know that I am going to get slammed for being a Texas "homer", I am just saying this is how "most" conferences break their ties instead of leaving it up to human and computer polls.  You can make a case for all three teams but, that is a nonbias statistical way of breaking a tie that does not leave it to human emotion or opinion.  Before anybody replies that the only reason why I like this is because it puts Texas first...your right and if Texas wasn't first, this way wouldn't make me as angry as the current way. 

Since: Sep 15, 2008
Posted on: November 23, 2008 9:32 pm

The BCS and Big 12 South breakdown

Let's hope Oklahoma State beats Oklahoma, Texas A&M beats Texas, Florida State beats Florida, Auburn beats Alabama, UCLA beats USC, Missouri beats Texas Tech, Florida beats Alabama, and then let Utah and Boise play. Did I miss anyone?


I meant to post this here, not on the new blog entry... oopsie!

Since: Jan 19, 2007
Posted on: November 23, 2008 8:51 pm

The BCS and Big 12 South breakdown

OU was leading UT the first 3 quarters and when out linebacker went down you guys pulled ahead

Texas beat OU's butt the 2nd half because of OU's stupidity to run a no huddle offense that left their defense on the field 37 minutes.  The game plan was to attack the middle of the field all day, and it worked.  A cute offense that runs up scores on KSU, A&M and others will eventually be exposed by good defenses

Tech was ahead of UT the entire game until UT made the go ahead score with a minute and a half remaining. Then Tech marched back down and made the winning scoreYes, UT walked into a Hornets nest, a game that TXT had circled on the calendar since the end of last year, just like the nest TXT walked into last night.  The difference? Texas came back like Champions, and almost pulled it out.  Saturday night national televised road games are the hardest games to win.

Bottom Line OU is playing the best and everyone but a homer from TX can see that.

Ou dominated last night.  It was awesome.  Noone will deny that.  But it was one game.  Since the TX game OU has been great offensively, and very poor defensively (28 points or more in every game).  Bottom line OU has been a great offensive team only and everyone but a homer from OK can see that.

lets see since that day

Texas destroyed Missou while OU beat KU by 14   advantage Texas

Texas beat OKS, OU beat KSU by 23    advantage Texas

Texas lost to TXT, OU wins big over Neb   advantage OU


It was a good game but it happened back in Oct

You mean this October?  The same Oct that is part of this football season?  What the hell, lets go ahead and count it.  OU may well go on to play in the NCG instead of Texas.  If the polls decide, so be it.  But there is no need for you to deny the Longhorns equal right to claim the title.

Since: Nov 23, 2008
Posted on: November 23, 2008 8:47 pm

The BCS and Big 12 South breakdown

So what your telling is that Utah, Boise St and Ball State could go undefeated in other conference then the WAC, Mountain west,  or MAC come let's be and i both know that would never happen

Since: Sep 24, 2006
Posted on: November 23, 2008 8:14 pm

The BCS and Big 12 South breakdown

I think Bama deserves some love for going undefeated (to date) in a tough conference.  I  think that Florida may be playing the best football in the country right now, and is very balanced, but they lost to Ole Miss. One of these teams is not going to the championship.  That sucks.  They both have legitimate chances. So do about 5 other teams, that on any given day could win a big game.  Just ask Texas Tech, or Texas, or Oklahoma, or USC, or Penn State The fact that there is not an objective way to provide a true champion opens up the door for the propoganda and passionate pleading about how ones conference or team is better than another.  Obviously there are flaws to this system, because there are several teams that rightfully deserve a shot at playing for a national championship.  It is time for a playoff and end this annual subjective bickering about who's defense is better than who's offense, if they played on a neutral field, with or without snow, cold, heat, coaches in press boxes, or who's common opponents beat someone else's common opponent.......ughh.  PLAY IT ON THE FIELD.  EARN IT.  It is going to be hard and if you beat them all you are the best. period. 

I think that the Big 12 is probably the best conference in college football.  That being said I think that they, like every conference is top heavy. The SEC is very good, but outside of the teams that are at the very top, I am not sure that they are as good as advertised.  They have some teams that were thought to be good at the beginning of the season by some coaches and sports writers, based on what the returning starters or team members did from the previous system.  This years team isn't last years team.  I think it is unfair to punish other teams in a league for something that a conference member did in a previous season.  Thanks Ohio State!  But really, what does last years Ohio State team have to do with how Penn State may do in a bowl game?  any bowl game?  Every team is different!  Every team has some perceived weaknesses.  It just depend on your point of view as to what that weakness is.  The relative strength of conferences has to be biased to make your teams case that it deserves to be voted better by some guy or gal in Spokane Washington or Wilkes Barre Pennsylvania.

I feel the folks in Utah and Boise and Ball State and think that they deserve a seat at the big boy table in a 16 team playoff, but it does seem far fetched that they would be undefeated if they played a Big 10, Big 12, or SEC conference (maybe Big East - c'mon Pitt you rhyme with Sh*t!).  If Bama loses to Florida, they deserve to get into the title game as much as any other one loss team!  However, this flawed system penalizes not only who you lose to, but when you loose, that is how it works.  Just another reason to have a playoff!

I'd like to see a big 12 team play some defense. I'd also like to see Big 10 bashers to not judge every team based on what another team did. I can find holes in every teams schedule over a given period of time.  I'd like to see Jim Tressel stop wearing sweater vests.  Ahhhh dreaming.......

I would also like to see Penn State play Alabama in the title game, but I that is just what i want, not what i think will happen. 

Since: Nov 16, 2008
Posted on: November 23, 2008 7:28 pm

The BCS and Big 12 South breakdown

This is terrible, Everyone who wants to playoff should be outraged.  OU and TX played on a neutral feild and TX won, case closed. If it only matters who playing well at the end why play the regular season games.  College football needs to fix this or its champions will mean nothing.

Since: Nov 23, 2008
Posted on: November 23, 2008 6:55 pm

The BCS and Big 12 South breakdown

Great post!  You summed up my sentiments on the subject to a tee.  Unfortunately, I'm gueesing when the BCS ranking comes out in 5 minutes, Texas will get screwed, even though there is also a large difference in strength of schedule between OU & UT.

Horn Fan


Since: Sep 24, 2006
Posted on: November 23, 2008 6:51 pm

The BCS and Big 12 South breakdown

I think you might be the biggest idiot in the world---to say Ball St deserves to be over Florida, Oklahoma, Texas, etc--you should have your cbssportsline account taken away from you, you my friend are a complete idiot, now if there was a playoff system I would agree Ball St deserves to be in the playoffs

Since: Sep 13, 2007
Posted on: November 23, 2008 6:38 pm

The BCS and Big 12 South breakdown

But wait if Texas Tech should be ahead of Texas, then Oklahoma should be ahead of Texas Tech . . . . . . . .

Let's see if all 3 win next week and then talk in circles for awhile. . . . . . .

Honestly, I like Texas or Oklahoma against the SEC champion (Bama or Florida) and I think we may have the best BCS matchup since this thing was established.

Bottom line Sooner or Longhorn fans, you each could have done something to not be in this position, so stop your damn crying already.  Win this week, and whoever gets picked they better ROLL Mizzou and show up and play in the BCS Championship and represent the Big 12 strong.

Damn, you guys have me feeling sorry for the Utah fans now.

Get scared if either of you screw it up and MIzzou wins the Big 12 and USC gets back into the title picture somehow.  Defense is great, offense is amazingly medicore for the amount of talent that they have. . . . .

Since: Oct 5, 2008
Posted on: November 23, 2008 6:26 pm

The BCS and Big 12 South breakdown

If Texas is ahead of OU in the BCS because they beat them head-to-head, then Texas Tech should be ahead of Texas!!!

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