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Posted on: December 3, 2008 10:31 am
 

Expect a lot of Big 12-SEC sniping going forward because we're assured of a national championship game between the two best conferences. Here is a heck of a place to start ...

I understand who Gary Danielson works for and where his loyalties are but he dropped quite a bomb this week when the CBS analyst ripped the Big 12:

"This year there is a distortion about how good the Big 12 is," said CBS' color analyst on SEC games. "It's illogical that there are three teams in the Big 12 that are 1, 2 and 4 (actually 3, 4 and 8). To me it means a weakness in the rest of the league."

Three in the top 10 is a weakness? What kind of logic are we supposed to apply, then, to the SEC which has Nos. 1 and 2? The league must be really weak to have two teams ... in the top two.

"The (offensive) stats in the Big 12 are like pesos to me," Danielson continued, suggesting those numbers are devalued.

Pesos?

The criticism, obviously, is of the Big 12 defenses. That's a valid point but let's make these things clear. 1) These are major-college athletes, several of which will play in the NFL. We're not talking the WAC here. 2) This is the best the Big 12 has been in its 13-year existence. 3) We should all agree that the SEC and Big 12 are far and away the best leagues this season.

I've already make a case for the Big 12 being slightly ahead using the third-team tiebreaker. The third-best team in the Big 12 is 11-1 Texas Tech. The third-best team in the SEC might be 8-4 Ole Miss.

If Big 12 numbers are pesos, what's the exchange rate on all those Alabama sacks against inept SEC offenses?

My point all season has been that the excellence of the Big 12 and SEC should be embraced. Defense isn't necessarily better than offense. It's just the way the conferences have developed this season.

Me: Why are all those stats piled up in the Big 12 considered "pesos" and the fact they're playing 3-2 games in the SEC different? Why is one better than the other?

Danielson: "The SEC has better defensive players. It has better defensive linemen, more NFL linebackers. Go check out the draft the last 10-15 years and find out where the NFL players (are).

The NFL doesn't draft guys because they've got nice uniforms or come from a conference that's highly rated in the BCS. There are more NFL-ready bodies in this league than any other league in this frame of time. But right now there's a deficiency of quarterbacks in this league.

You might be a pretty good quarterback. You might be able to survive in another league. If you aren't really good in this league they'll chew you up."

More Danielson on the Big 12 tiebreaker controversy: "I know it can't happen, I'm just throwing it out there: They should just ask Missouri to step aside (to be replaced by Texas). This is a once in a lifetime thing ... I wish, the commissioner of the Big 12 would have said, for the good of the conference let's let them replay this thing in the Big 12 championship."

A glimpse into how CBS is going to promote Saturday's SEC title game: "This essentially is what amounts to a BCS semifinal," said Mike Aresco, CBS vice president, programming. "I racked my brain to see whether I could remember a previous situation like this. I can't remember when the winner would almost be assured a spot."

Good call. There have been seven 1 vs. 2 games (ranked in AP) since January 2005. This is the first 1-2 game in a conference championship contest. The last three consecutive 1 vs. 2 games have involved SEC teams. However, this is the first 1 vs. 2 game in AP poll history featuring two SEC teams.

Hmm, must signify a weakness in the rest of the league.

 

 Say goodbye to the Big 12 championship game in Kansas City this week.

 

One of the unintended consequences of Kansas' defeat of Missouri on Saturday was that it probably sealed Jerry Jones argument that the Big 12 championship game should be moved permanently to Dallas.


The footing was so bad for the annual Border War game at Arrowhead Stadium that the quality of play likely will be used as ammunition against Kansas City. The game was played in a combination of snow, sleet and rain. It looked like the field had never been covered prior to the precipitation.

Missouri plays at Arrowhead for the second consecutive week Saturday, this time against Oklahoma in the Big 12 title game. Looking at game tape this week, OU coach Bob Stoops called the conditions "horrible."

The Cowboys owner, building a state-of-the-art stadium in the Dallas suburbs, is on record as saying he wants to host the Big 12 game on a permanent basis. The Big 12 game will be played in the new indoor stadium in 2009 and 2010.

Moving the game permanently would be a shame. The tradition of the old Big Eight has been moved out of its Kansas City brick-by-brick over the years. First, the office was relocated to Dallas, then the Big 12 basketball tournament was taken away and shared around the region.

A fair trade-off would be Kansas City getting the basketball tournament in a permanent basis and Dallas getting football. We all know that what Jerry wants, Jerry gets.

 Here's what is wrong with the conference championship games: Missouri.

 


It is perhaps the most undeserving team in a league title game this weekend. The darlings of 2007 have limped to the finish line in 2008, eventually ended tied with Nebraska for the Big 12 North.

The Tigers played like a team that had clinched a division title Saturday in losing to rival Kansas 40-37. One of the best games in the oldest rivalry west of the Mississippi also pointed up how far the Tigers had fallen emotionally.

They mailed in an effort early on falling behind Kansas 26-10. By the time they woke up, the Jayhawks had confidence and a porous Missouri defense of which to take advantage.

The shame is that if Missouri somehow rallies and beats No. 4 Oklahoma in the Big 12 title game, a BCS bowl would be a false reward.

The Tigers, 9-3, have no signature wins, have beaten one, long-ago ranked team (Illinois) and are coming off perhaps their worst effort of the season . Kansas coach Mark Mangino stated afterward he had 10 players who couldn't walk at the beginning of the week.  The Jayhawks willed themselves onto the field.

The Tigers mailed it in. But, they are in the Big 12 game and if by some miracle they are able to defeat the Sooners, they will be playing in the Fiesta Bowl.

Danielson might be right on that one. Missouri should step aside. Texas is waiting.

Comments

Since: Aug 29, 2006
Posted on: December 4, 2008 10:02 pm
 

National notes

Except when the top ranked SEC teams are playing each other... See UGA vs LSU, UF vs LSU, UF vs UGA, UGA vs Bama, LSU vs Bama.




Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: December 4, 2008 3:40 pm
 

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Screw you Doyle, and screw Danielson.  Missouri won the Big 12 North by the rules the Big 12 set up.  Why didn't you ask Oklahoma to step aside last year?  I hope Missouri beats Oklahoma so that we can hear you two morons whine that Missouri took away a BCS bid from either Oklahoma, Texas or Texas Tech. 

I know Doyle is a complete idiot, but what does he have to do with any of this?  This is Dennis Dodd's blog...and he is a Mizzou alum, BTW.  So if he bashes Missouri, it is because he is lashing out in pain.

If Mizzou upsets Oklahoma, Texas will not only get a BCS bid, it will be for the NC game.  Sooners would not be able to whine because they would have just been beaten, so the only whining would be from Lubbock.  After what Oklahoma did to them, I don't think TTU would be whining much...if at all.  Besides, they will have their hands full with Ole Miss in a very good Cotton Bowl matchup.




Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: December 4, 2008 3:08 pm
 

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I'm pretty sure the comment was made in relation to a conference championship game, which we all know the Big 10 refuses to follow suit with the rest of major college football and adopt. the arrogance of the Big 10 and PAC 10 refusing to allow their conference championship to be determined on the field is a big reason why i'll never in my lifetime see a 'real' NCAA champion crowned on the field. All simply because they didn't think of it first...

I've seen a lot of ignorant comments over the years on these boards, but this one takes the cake, and on so many levels.  By NCAA rule, conferences must have at least 12 schools to have a championship game.  The Big Ten has refused to raid other conferences, which is quite honorable as compared to the scoundrels in the ACC.  As a result, the Big Ten will only consider adding an independent, just as they did with Penn St 15 years ago.  The only Independent that makes regional, academic and financial sense is Notre Dame, who the Big Ten invited to join in 1999 but was rebuffed.  So tell me, how does this make the Big Ten arrogant?  It is people like you that are the arrogant ones, constantly trying to shove your "superior" way of doing things down the throats of others.

And what does "because they didn't think of it first" have to do with anything?  Any pinhead can see that if the Big Ten offered the only decent Independent available a decade ago, they have obviously tried to add a 12th school.  Their ethical principles just won't allow them to raid another conference.

Man, one day I almost hope ND joins the Big Ten, Colorado and Texas Tech jump to the Pac-10, and Kentucky, Maryland and Navy join the Big East.  Then we could all harass the "arrogant" ACC, Big-12 and SEC for gumming up the works.




Since: Nov 30, 2007
Posted on: December 4, 2008 12:40 pm
 

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The Big Ten refuses to allow their championship to be determined on the field?  How about a 12-game regular season that determines the champion?  So, by your argument, the Big 12 has a better system by letting an undeserving Missouri team play for a conference championship against Oklahoma, both of whom were beaten by the best team in the conference, Texas.  And the Big 12 uses the BCS standings as a tie-breaker.  That doesn't sound like the champion is being determined on the field.  And I don't want to hear how Oklahoma blew out Tech, and Tech beat Texas.  By that logic, Penn State will roll over USC in the Rose Bowl because Penn State blew out Oregon State and Oregon State beat USC.  And I honestly don't think Penn State stands a chance in the Rose Bowl.




Since: Nov 30, 2006
Posted on: December 4, 2008 7:20 am
 

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Screw you Doyle, and screw Danielson.  Missouri won the Big 12 North by the rules the Big 12 set up.  Why didn't you ask Oklahoma to step aside last year?  I hope Missouri beats Oklahoma so that we can hear you two morons whine that Missouri took away a BCS bid from either Oklahoma, Texas or Texas Tech. 

No one made a big uproar last year when the jerks from the Orange Bowl and FedEx screwed Missouri out of a BCS bowl by inviting Kansass -- a team Missouri had beaten only 2 weeks before, (possibly assisted by the Big 12's Beebe, that prick that just recently defended the BCS because teams like Oklahoma, Texas and Nebraska needed to be protected due to their fans' expectations).

Oh, and by the way, you pumped Missouri up in your column -- even to the point it became ridiculous earlier this season.  When Missouri dropped games to Oklahoma State and Texas suddenly you can't write enough negative columns about them.  You need to take a midol.

 




Since: Sep 11, 2006
Posted on: December 4, 2008 1:51 am
 

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The PAC-10 does allow its championship to be decided on the field:  every team plays every other team.  You're right about the Big-10 though; they're the only one of the 11 conferences that doesn't play either a conference championship game or have every team play every other team.

 

Mmmm thats odd.  Please explain to me how the Pac Ten still has co-champions then.




Since: Sep 11, 2006
Posted on: December 4, 2008 1:49 am
 

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I'm pretty sure the comment was made in relation to a conference championship game, which we all know the Big 10 refuses to follow suit with the rest of major college football and adopt. the arrogance of the Big 10 and PAC 10 refusing to allow their conference championship to be determined on the field is a big reason why i'll never in my lifetime see a 'real' NCAA champion crowned on the field. All simply because they didn't think of it first...You obviously don't know as much as you think you do. Do you honestly believe that the SEC, ACC, Big 12, etc. play conference championship games for any reason other than to make more cash?



Since: Nov 30, 2008
Posted on: December 3, 2008 11:54 pm
 

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For whatever reason, I left out Colorado and listed TCU as a Big 12 Team. TCU is a member of the Mountain West Conference. Please accept my apologies.

Colorado has had its hayday as well, but it's been awhile. They seem to run hot, then cold.

SoonerNationRocks




Since: Nov 30, 2008
Posted on: December 3, 2008 6:32 pm
 

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Gary Danielson brings up a good point.

3 Texas teams, UT, TTU, TCU, have been getting stronger over the last 8 years, OU has been a player since Stoops stepped in, OSU have been gaining momentum for the last 3 years, actually since Miles left; although they did improve under Miles - they actually beat OU twice in his short tenure; MO seemed to peak and backslide in the last 15 months, NU, well what's happening there? Kansas, Kansas St, Texas A&M have gone to idle almost - BU and UI about the same.

Most of the stronger schools have a great job recruiting - coaches, as well as athlete's. It's slim pickin's for the other schools, or so it seems.

This view of the league getting weaker is only magnified by the strength of the others. I believe it is ever changing and may, or may not, cycle through. Looking at the history of the Big12 and Big 8, it seems to have gone that way, but OU, NU and UT were fairly steady in their strength for a couple of decades.

Only time will tell. It's great discussion for the powers-that-be and the athletes and fans.

 




Since: Feb 25, 2007
Posted on: December 3, 2008 6:12 pm
 

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The PAC-10 does allow its championship to be decided on the field:  every team plays every other team.  You're right about the Big-10 though; they're the only one of the 11 conferences that doesn't play either a conference championship game or have every team play every other team.


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