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Mike Leach's rich NFL quarterback history

Posted on: April 28, 2009 12:01 pm
Edited on: April 28, 2009 4:06 pm
 

There's a reason for the NFL draft. There are millions of dollars spent on evaluation, scouting, the combine etc.

What's the old saying? If you can play, the NFL will find you.

The NFL didn't find Texas Tech quarterback Graham Harrell. We're talking about a league that has put shoulder pads on everyone from former track stars to Australians to Sage Rosenfels. There are not many athletes who can play who the league misses. That's why Mike Leach looks dumb -- again.

Leach went a little nuts on Monday. Doyel went a little Leach on Tuesday wondering why Harrell didn't get drafted. Whatever. Now I'm here to tell you why Harrell isn't the only one who was "overlooked" (see below).

The Mouth That Bored (Leach, not Doyel) blasted the NFL, Texas A&M, the Cleveland Browns and anyone else who was close Monday for dissing his quarterback. The nation's leading passer was not drafted while Texas A&M back up Stephen McGee was taken by Dallas.

"I'm happy for Stephen McGee," Leach told the Dallas Morning News. "The Dallas Cowboys like him more than his coaches at A&M did."

Classy.

"The truth of the matter is that the NFL drafts quarterbacks notoriously bad," Leach added, "That's indisputable."

That's interesting, Mike, since you just shot down your own argument. Had Harrell been drafted would that have made him part of the "notoriously bad" NFL drafting practices? For a coach whose program hasn't had much of a draft history, it's hard to take Leach seriously. Until receiver Michael Crabtree was taken in the first round on Saturday, Texas Tech hadn't had a player taken higher than the fourth round under Leach.

If the NFL doesn't know talent, then the NFL might make the argument that Mike Leach doesn't know how to produce talent. There are only four currently active players drafted from Texas Tech in the NFL since the 2003 draft, according to NFL.com. Four out of 11 drafted. None of them are quarterbacks. Oh, and did I mention that for the first time during his stay in Lubbock, Leach did not have a player drafted in 2008.

Yeah, sure, must be the NFL's fault.

This isn't the first time Leach has overshadowed his shotgun by shooting off his mouth. During the offseason he also ripped the NFL for downgrading Harrell for playing in the gun. Harrell will get his chance. He is going to camp with the Browns, the coach of which Leach also ripped for allegedly badmouthing Crabtree. So which is it, Mike? Is Eric Mangini brilliant for taking Harrell or not so much for criticizing your receiver?

Leach continues to do his players a disservice. Tell me one way that Texas Tech players are helped by their coach's rant. Leach already hides his stars from the media. I'm not going to say his restrictive media policies keep his players from getting drafted. I'll just go back to a quote from Wake Forest linebacker Stanley Arnoux that I used in Monday's story.

"He brought scouts in," Arnoux said of teammate Aaron Curry, the fourth-player taken. "When the NFL teams turned on film, all the rest of us guys flashed across the screen making some big plays, too."  

Then I'll just sit back and let Leach make the case against himself.

"Michael Crabtree has been more successful as a receiver than that guy has as a coach," Leach said of Mangini.

"Michael isn't a diva. He's too shy to be like that. My definition of a diva is someone who's loud and self-absorbed. Michael is the furthest thing from loud that I've seen."

Loud and self-absorbed? Look in the mirror, coach.  

 

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Since: Jul 24, 2008
Posted on: May 4, 2009 10:04 am
 

Mike Leach's rich NFL quarterback history

It was a necesarry comment, because it made good point.  It is true:  "Stephen McGee's Coaches like him less than the NFL draft"

and it is an absolute Travesty that Harrell was not drafted.



Since: Jul 24, 2008
Posted on: May 4, 2009 9:57 am
 

Mike Leach's rich NFL quarterback history

Sorry that it didn't mean a lot to you.  But I bet it meant a lot to Graham.  Leach does these things because he cares about his players.  He cares about them so much that he is willing to stick up for them even after they've left the program.  Leach could care less about your feelings, Dodd.

Can you tell me 1 other coach that could be doing what Leach is doing at Tech right now, and having that kind of success?  NO He doesn't exist.  If the back-up quarterback from West Texas A&M can get drafted, than how does Harrell slip through the cracks!  And his point on McGee was well taken.  McGee's career at A&M cannot even come close to comparing to that of Harrell's at Tech.

I thought his comments about A&M were hillarious!



Since: Jul 24, 2008
Posted on: May 4, 2009 9:51 am
 

Mike Leach's rich NFL quarterback history

Imagine that!  An Aggie trying to comment on a Red Raider's class.

Leach was dead on! 



Since: Dec 11, 2008
Posted on: April 28, 2009 5:03 pm
 

Mike Leach's rich NFL quarterback history

427:
Kurt Warner DID hold a clipboard, before Trent Green did his knee in 1999. Before that he was stocking shelves and playing indoor football. Jeff Garcia was a four-time CFL all-star before he came to the NFL.

Also, it's possible to call a coach "dumb" and be right about his misconduct. Check with Mike Sherman to see if he thinks Mike Leach is classy.

dd

Yeah, and Tom Brady held a clipboard until Bledsoe got injured, which doesn't change the fact that Brady has become one of the most dominant QBs to ever play the game.  As for Garcia, you're touting his pre-NFL accomplishments, so why is Leach "dumb" for touting Graham Harrell and his?

In regards to Sherman, he needs to get his own house in order before he starts worrying what Leach says.  After all, Stephen McGee, who was the subject of Leach's comment, essentially agreed with Leach, saying "I've said all along that certainly if I would have been in a pro-style offense for all four years, I pretty much guarantee you that I would have been a first-round draft choice," only to later say that Sherman and former coach Dennis Franchione played a huge role in his life and helped him become the NFL draftee he is today.  Still, it certainly seems to have offended McGee and Sherman, though I'd contend they're venting frustrations from their 4-8 season and wouldn't care if they were better at what they do.  And it similarly appears to have irked you, as you've continued to blast Leach ever since he didn't bring his stars to Big 12 media day a while back.  In reality, you and the ags hated Leach long before this and continue to look for any reason to substantiate your dislike for the guy.  So when he points out that a guy got benched, you act like he's the antichrist. 

I'll give you that Leach's comment towards McGee was unnecessary.  That said, it wasn't unclassy, nor was it "misconduct" as you say.  It was simply true, as he merely observed that McGee was benched due to "injury" after losing to Arkansas State in a horrific 19/27, 170 yard, 0 TD, 2 INT performance, yet played in five more games throughout the season, attempting as many as 24 passes in a game against UT late in the year.  And since it's not in Leach to be the politically correct snake oil salesman that most coaches are, he pointed it out.  When he's defending his players, he speaks his mind, whether it placates everyone or not.  If you can't handle or understand that as an opinion columnist, I don't know what to tell you.  Leach, to a lesser extent, is doing the same thing you are, except he has legitimate reasoning behind his comments, and he's right more often than he isn't.  Perhaps that's what really gets to you.



Since: Apr 28, 2009
Posted on: April 28, 2009 4:36 pm
 

Mike Leach's rich NFL quarterback history

Actually, your original point doesn't stand; it falls flat on its face.  Leach stated that the NFL does a terrible job of drafting quarterbacks.  The fact that there were 6 undrafted free-agent quarterbacks last year who started games (the previous five, plus John Kitna), along with the fact that over half of the starters were taken in the third round or later would seem to bolster the argument.  You say that there are exceptions; well, 20% is a pretty darn big exception.

Also, as I pointed out earlier, there were only three starters who graduated from Tech last year, so it is hardly surprising that no one was drafted.  Amendola is trying to make his way up in a way similar to Wes Welker.

I think that the fact that Leach is speaking up for Harrell is telling, and means as much as if it were coming from Tressel or Paterno.  It is telling that this is the quarterback that Leach is willing to argue for.  Leach did not speak out like this for Cody Hodges or Sonny Cumbie, which should tell GMs that Leach thinks that Harrell is something special.

But again, instead of rebutting what Leach says, you instead take the easy way out and try to ad hominem attack him and Texas Tech.



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: April 28, 2009 4:24 pm
 

Mike Leach's rich NFL quarterback history

...So wait a minute.  Only four drafted TTU playres are in the NFL.  There are another seven , however, who somehow have roster spots despite having been passed up.  Seems to me that Leach's point stands.  If those seven were good enoguh to make teams, they probably should have been drafted above those who couldn't or didn't.



Since: Feb 8, 2008
Posted on: April 28, 2009 4:00 pm
 

Mike Leach's rich NFL quarterback history

Shack:
The original point still stands: If you're good enough, the NFL usually finds you. There are exceptions, of course.

My point is, that is would mean a lot more if it had come from, say, Jim Tressl or Joe Paterno. Leach didn't have a player taken last year and only four since 2002, none above the fourth round. The NFL still seems to be standing without all that undiscovered Texas Tech talent.

dd



Since: Apr 28, 2009
Posted on: April 28, 2009 3:38 pm
 

Mike Leach's rich NFL quarterback history

So I guess you don't agree with notnert and Mike Leach that the NFL does a terrible job at scouting QB talent.  The fact that Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, and those other quarterbacks failed to get drafted while weightroom studs like Leaf get drafted simply because they can throw a ball over those mountains means nothing to you.  Furthermore, I like the fact that you take the time to point out that Texas Tech failed to have anyone drafted last year.  Nevermind the fact that Tech only lost 3 starters, and only one on offense.  Also, one of those overlooked (Danny Amendola) seems to be working his way up like Welker did. 

And why should Tech's previous dearth of players drafted affect Harrell?  By the same line of reasoning, should each Florida Quarterback be drafted just because the team overall has had success in the draft?

Also, how in the world does Leach's media policy tie in to Curry's tapes helping other players?  In your quote, Arnoux says that having scouts watch film of Curry has helped his teammate's visibility with the scouts.  Are you suggesting that Leach doesn't allow NFL scouts access to game tapes of Crabtree?  These two stories have nothing to do with each other.

Finally, I love how you throw around classy and classless.  "Well I can't rebut what you say, so I'll just say that you're classless for saying it."  That's the way to persuade people.  Instead of actually discussing whether Leach or Doyel make good points about the NFL, just call them classless and stick your head back in the sand.



Since: Feb 8, 2008
Posted on: April 28, 2009 2:37 pm
 

Mike Leach's rich NFL quarterback history

427:
Kurt Warner DID hold a clipboard, before Trent Green did his knee in 1999. Before that he was stocking shelves and playing indoor football. Jeff Garcia was a four-time CFL all-star before he came to the NFL.

Also, it's possible to call a coach "dumb" and be right about his misconduct. Check with Mike Sherman to see if he thinks Mike Leach is classy.

dd



Since: Dec 11, 2008
Posted on: April 28, 2009 2:18 pm
 

Mike Leach's rich NFL quarterback history

Hooray, it's another anti-Leach piece from Dodd.  Who could have seen that coming?

You hint that Leach isn't classy for saying a statement which is absolutely true mere sentences after you say "Leach looks dumb--again." Certainly even you must see the hypocrisy of the pot calling the kettle black here, given that you can't even manage to write an article without childish name-calling in it or quotes like "this being a major university, according to some" in reference to Texas Tech in a previous article where you whined about Leach not pandering to you and giving you an all-access pass to the program, which is what started your whole vendetta in the first place.

Last season, four NFL teams had starting QBs that were undrafted.  Those players were Kurt Warner, Tony Romo, Jeff Garcia, Jake Delhomme, and Shaun Hill.  More NFL starting QBs from last year were drafted on Day 2 and beyond than Day 1.  I don't recall Warner holding a clipboard during his Super Bowls, and Garcia seems to have done pretty well for himself throughout his career.  I'm sure you'll be patting yourself on the back if Harrell doesn't overcome the odds like former TTU products Wes Welker and Zach Thomas to become a great NFL starter. Graham may or may not be successful in the NFL, but his chances were certainly hindered by scouting ineptitude.  And again, Leach is dead-on in pointing it out, whether you like it or not.

Dodd, perhaps you should look in the mirror and ask yourself where all this hate stems from, because I think we've found our diva, and it isn't the coach who's speaking his mind to support his players.



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