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FSU's appeal of Bowden's victories ongoing

Posted on: June 2, 2009 4:24 pm
Edited on: June 2, 2009 4:46 pm

Bobby Bowden and Florida State still don't know the fate of the 14 victories in question regarding the celebrated academic fraud case.

The process is still ongoing -- and complicated -- judging from a cryptically worded release from Florida State on Tuesday. We were led to believe that a decision from the appeals committee might come down today. Turns out that even some at FSU were surprised that we are essentially still in the middle of the process.

Florida State is appealing the loss of wins in several sports -- including up to 14 in football -- the result of NCAA penalties handed down in March. The NCAA acknowledged Tuesday only that the appeals committee has received its response from the NCAA infractions committee. That starts a clock that now gives Florida State 15 days (until June 17) to file a rebuttal to the response. Then there are 10 days for the NCAA to respond back to FSU.

The school already has requested an in-person hearing with the appeals committee after those two steps are completed. Florida State has said it will make its rebuttal public when it is filed.

It can only be assumed that the infractions committee did not have a favorable response to the appeal.

"If that was the case, (we) probably would have heard something," said a person close to the process.

The school is doggedly fighting the NCAA penalties because of Bowden's legacy. The loss of 14 victories would stain the program and virtually end the neck-and-neck race between Bowden and Penn State's Joe Paterno for the all-time victories record. Paterno is currently No. 1 in Division I-A with 383 wins, one ahead of Bowden.

The information filed Tuesday is not public. Instead it was posted on a "secure NCAA custodial website" to be viewed only by Florida State lawyers, officials, its consultants and NCAA personnel. No one, anywhere, is talking at this point.

FSU retained the services of The Compliance Group in Lenexa, Kan. to guide it through the case. A letter from appeals committee chair Noel Ragsdale to The Compliance Group's Stacey Karpinnski on Tuesday acknowledged the committee's receipt of the infractions committee's response. FSU president T.K. Wetherell and athletic director Randy Spetman are among those copied on the letter.

Ragsdale is listed as a clinical professor of law at USC. Ironically, Karpinski is listed on The Compliance Group website as having a law degree from FSU. Neither could be reached for comment.

According to the NCAA website, the appeals committee's decision is final after the in-person hearing. That decision is reached by majority vote of the committee members attending the meetings. There are currently five members on the committee.

Also according to the website, the committee will "reverse or modify a ruling (by the infractions committee) only if the individual or institution can show one or more of the following grounds:

1. That the ruling was clearly contrary to the evidence;

2. That the individual's or institution's actions did not constitute an infraction of NCAA rules;

3. There was a procedural error and but for the error, the Committee on Infractions would not have made the finding of violation; or

4. The penalty assessed was excessive such that its imposition constitutes an abuse of discretion."

The appeals committee has been more open to overturning penalties in recent to the consternation of certain infractions committee members.

In 2008, former infractions committee chairman Gene Marsh of Alabama said: "If folks really are interested in righting the wrong of winning games, because you won while you were cheating, vacation (of victories) seems to be a logical thing to do."

Earlier this year, Maryland coach Ralph Friedgen told he agreed with the original FSU penalties.

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Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: June 11, 2009 3:59 pm

FSU's appeal of Bowden's victories ongoing

lennykaps03                     I guess I should  send some money your way, seeing you might be able to use it pay for some education! {WATERBOY}The N.F.L. and The N.C.A.A. Football programs are set up differently. I guess they may have a college in the swamp you reside in next to the Waterboy Bayou Inn where Momma conceived your ignorant being. Mount Union College is a private school which cost 60,000 a year to attend. Their ar no scholarships for Bullwinkle Waterboys like your self to attend , or kids from O.S.U. or K State where that comes from  hades if I know... So lennykaps03 you just adjust the old jockstrap up around your tonsils Waterboy and  don't forget to breathe. Don't mock a school your scabie infested mind knows nothing about.  Mount Union did not fall into anything  lennykaps03 unlike your uneducated F.S.U. flunkies who are lucky to have the ability to spell their name but boy oh boy... they sure know how to play swamp ball for the likes of lennykaps03.

Since: Sep 25, 2006
Posted on: June 8, 2009 1:37 pm

FSU's appeal of Bowden's victories ongoing

Lennykaps03, I am not the one who started talking about backing - not falling - into titles. That was oasisnole all the way. The devil's in the details, and you missed that one. I guess you shouldn't chastise homerdawg for not reading closely enough, because you obviously didn't yourself... LOL!

Since: Apr 30, 2007
Posted on: June 5, 2009 5:58 pm

FSU's appeal of Bowden's victories ongoing

Don't ever compare Bowden to Paterno from the standpoint of the level of involvement they each have with their teams. Up until his leg injury and subsequent surgery, JoePa was very hands on with his teams, demonstrating proper technique to his linemen when necessary. There are plenty of YouTube videos of JoePa in action right before his leg injury. Now that he is 100%, he will be back on the practice field, right in the thick of it.

Since: Feb 2, 2009
Posted on: June 5, 2009 2:22 pm

To whom it may concern

Hey Cabill you have no heart without these coaches those teams wouldn't be were they are today without them. In Bowdan's they were nothing till he got there and then put together the most dominant run in modern NCAA history with 14 straight years in the top 5. Oh and the other guy Joe Paterno only helped the one of the most storied programs in all of college to 383 of there 800 victories. These guys did what they did by staying the course through the bad years and the good. To get rid of them know even though they are getting there programs back on track would do them injustice.

Hey homerdawg Really, come with some real stats honestly your going to say he is the best the team is stacked year after year with players trying to make it to the next level. Mount Union is where all the Kstate and Ohio state football players go to up there grads so they can go to school. I guess you didn't do your research you probably goggle best coach all time.  I got somewhere for you to go how about the library so you can look up some of the greats of all time. John Gagliardi, Eddie Robinson, Bear Bryant, Pop Warner. These pl
us Bowdan and Paterno are who the new coaches look up to. Who they hope to be. They took there programs to the next level. You named a guy that took over a program right when t
he program started to transfer students. it was handed to them the coaches I named took nobodies and made them something. Stick to the pee wee league, tighten up my diapers. Next time read or if you can't maybe you can just pay me and I can do it for you.

bye bye sox 
96 should have never happend for Florida and didn't FSU beat Florida in the game before that I am confused. You fell into National championship each time you were there. You were there cause some other team lost right before that not because you were the front runner. Really to say we fell into our would be the pot calling the kettle black.  

Since: Apr 30, 2009
Posted on: June 5, 2009 8:44 am

Everyone needs to look in the mirror.

Let's not fool ourselves.  Debating which program, Florida or Florida State, is cleaner is like debating which group, the Taliban or Al-Qaeda has more respect for human life.

Since: May 27, 2009
Posted on: June 4, 2009 3:31 pm
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Since: Sep 25, 2006
Posted on: June 4, 2009 8:09 am

FSU's appeal of Bowden's victories ongoing

1. 5 wins in a row by the Gators is NOT a draw!

2. If Utah "manhandled" Alabama, then so did Florida. Utah beat Alabama, 31-17, while Florida beat Alabama 31-20.  How much "manhandling" is 3 POINTS worth?!?!? NOT MUCH. LOL ROTF!!!!! Tongue out

3. The Gators have 3 National Championships, while FSU has only 2. Whether you RESPECT IT or not, TOO BAD! Facts are facts. Cool

Bye bye!!!!!

Since: Oct 11, 2006
Posted on: June 3, 2009 8:26 pm

FSU's appeal of Bowden's victories ongoing

I believe Zook was coach in the 'keg throwing incident' get your facts straight before you rebuttal on here!

If the system now was in place in '96 FSU would have played ASU in the championship game.

Go undefeated for once and leave no doubt. I fully believe Utah has as much or more of the National Championship claim
than does UF in 2008. Manhandled Alabama more than UF did. If it's an 'opinion' poll than there ya go.

Bobby has also kicked off super talented wide receivers in Randy Moss, Lavernueos Coles and Preston Parker.

FSU was inferior in $, tradition, facilities etc. until the late 70's. I do not dispute that. Also, weren't like the first 8 or so games all played
in Gainesville? From the late 70's on, i'd call it a draw.

Since: Sep 25, 2006
Posted on: June 3, 2009 8:09 pm

FSU's appeal of Bowden's victories ongoing

FSU has "backed" into titles before...
The person who used the stolen woman's credit card, and the other who smashed a keg (not a garbage can) on another student's head were thrown off the team IMMEDIATELY by Urban Meyer. Get your facts straight before you make these posts.
1996 National Championship game: Florida 52, FSU 20; Gators lead all-time series with FSU 31-19-1.

Since: Oct 11, 2006
Posted on: June 3, 2009 5:31 pm

FSU's appeal of Bowden's victories ongoing

Too bad the Gainesville PD covers up almost all the trangressions that go on in hogtown. As far as scandals and probation are concerned i'm sure Charlie Pell and Galen Hall would like to bear witness at FSU's trial! Totally bogus rants from a team/school that hasn't EVER gone undefeated in over 100 years of football. This years Gator team is loaded and if they back into another title shot, i'll give them no credit. The only 1 loss team to lose at home last year that was in consideration for the title game was UF. That alone should have cancelled them out.

Peter Warrick cheated? I think getting a discount at a store is a lot less a CRIME (not cheating) than using a dead womens credit card, smashing a trash can on a students head, firing off semi automatics or getting tased by the police!

Gainesville PD only turned in a rape report on highly recruited linebacker Willie Williams a few years back only AFTER he decided to sign w/ Miami & not UF. The incident was almost 3 or 4 months old but the GPD decided to wait to see if the Gators got him or not.

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