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Florida State appeal

Posted on: June 19, 2009 10:06 am
What did you expect? When the NCAA sent a hidden, embargoed, super-secret answer to Florida State's appeal on June 2 you knew it wasn't good news for Florida State.

If Bobby Bowden was getting some, or all, of those 14 wins back someone at FSU would have leaked it.

Now we know officially that Bowden's chase of Joe Paterno is all but done. The NCAA Committee on Infractions sent a tersely-worded response to FSU's appeal on that same day. It was released to the public after much legal wrangling on Thursday. Click on the infractions committee's response and you can read how it brings the wood.

A lot of folks thought that FSU had a good case because a similar case at Oklahoma had been overturned. Apples and oranges, people. Oklahoma discovered athletes being overpayed for work at a car dealership. It acted swiftly in kicking the players off the team. FSU committed the NCAA's mortal sin -- academic fraud.

Here's the key phrase from the NCAA, "the university cannot begin to make its required showing that the vacation of records is 'excessive such that it constitutes an abuse of discretion" by the infractions committee.

Florida State president T.K. Wetherell is quoted as saying, "we don't really believe (the athletes) cheated." FSU is admonished for characterizing the academic fraud as "honest confusion."

Further, the response by the infractions committee contains the words, "serious and intentional" "wide-spread academic fraud" "culpability was esepcialy agregious as they were among the institutional staff members" and "unethical conduct".

This is it for Bowden. Now it's just a question of an exit strategy. He cannot catch Paterno. His program may or may not be on the way back. His school owes coach-in-waiting Jimbo Fisher $5 million if Fisher is not head coach by 2011. Bowden's biggest booster, Wetherell, just announced he is retiring next year.

Bowden has one or two years left. It's up to him, unless he wants to pull the rip cord right now.

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Since: Apr 17, 2009
Posted on: June 24, 2009 2:03 am

Florida State appeal

Debo, no I was never really a basketball fan until after I joined the Marine Corps and spent a few years in Southern California.  A girlfriend I had (she was wealthy) had season tickets and I was able to meet quite a few of them so it kind of stuck.  I  enjoy the "bashing in good fun" as it makes me laugh either going or coming and that is quite frankly the reason we spend time on here.  For entertainment, rivalry and commaraderie.  I'll have to go back and see how I straddled the fence as I think I was chuckling too much at what your response was going to be although I have to admit it was much tamer than I had imagined.  For that I have added you as well and look forward to some interesting dialogue in the future.

Since: Oct 10, 2006
Posted on: June 23, 2009 11:58 pm

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I don't think you're conting right.  There are as many of us pulling for Bobby as there are for Joe.  I'm no FSU man and I hope this hurts recruiting, but this should not decide who is the winningest coach.  Bobby didn't know about this, hell I don't think he even knows the game plan anymore.

Since: Sep 10, 2008
Posted on: June 23, 2009 5:24 pm

Florida State appeal

So the only good nole is a dead nole ?  what is you point ?

Since: Jul 17, 2007
Posted on: June 22, 2009 11:26 pm

Florida State appeal

Way too much under the Bowden program.  Good players not disciplined while mediocre ones given the boot for the same offenses.  You knew it happen sooner or later and Bobby stayed too long for it not to catch up with him.

Since: Sep 22, 2006
Posted on: June 22, 2009 9:06 pm

Florida State appeal

stoptherun, quit your whining. miami paid for its misdeeds...and then came back and won another national championship and played in 3OTs for another. your commentary about miami is as old as tebow's BS baby kissing for the cameras. miami paid its debts in 1996 and now boasts a program that academically at the top of the acc (along with duke) (note: no wonder why the have such bad seasons), but to keep belaboring about things that are ancient history just just plain pathetic. it's like answering a questions with a question because you don't want to own up to the answer. and, that answer is that the gators have taken the reins of Thug U, but try to BS people into thinking they're not and hiding from what they are. at least miami in the 80s and 90s told you what they b1tchslapping you in the face and laughing at you after. i mean, what is worse...owning up to what you are or hiding behind tebow's skirt lying to yourselves and pretending that you are something you are not?

ps. while the 24 gator "student-athletes" have bending over for the soap in jail over the past 4 years, only one miami player has been in trouble with the law...and that was for breaking a side mirror on a car. yeah, that's like chasing down a man 1/3 your size, pulling out an AK-47 and firing it! now, i'll ask again...who's the Thug U?

Since: Oct 23, 2006
Posted on: June 22, 2009 7:14 pm

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OMG, please tell me that is not a Miami Convict fan passing judgement on any other program. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. No program has been more of a black eye to college football than Thug U...

Since: Sep 11, 2006
Posted on: June 22, 2009 5:52 pm

Florida State appeal

Great analysis of this situation.  I've gotten to the point where I enjoy reading the writers blogs instead of the articles.  Anyway, who cares if Bowden or Paterno finish #1 in wins.  Does anyone think less of Bear Bryant because he's now 3rd?  The important thing to remember about both of these coaches is what they did to raise their previously inconsequential programs into consistent national powers.  Both teams were lower profile independents before these guys came on the scene.  Both took on all comers and had plenty of success before either school was given its proper due, which proves they both took the long road to success.  Whatever they do now is secondary to the feats they both achieved in decades past.  Its interesting that they basically mirror each other in a lot of ways (on the field anyway).  So, if the root of this FSU vs. NCAA battle is to protect Bobby Bowdens legacy, then its unnecessary.  As for the situation, it seems (from what I've read) like FSU deserves this so I hope the NCAA doesn't back off and I'm sure they won't.  The sun will still rise for FSU fans though.  They should worry more about the future of all their programs instead of past wins and championships.

Since: Sep 11, 2007
Posted on: June 22, 2009 3:30 pm

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It's unfortunate that this is the way Bowden and Paterno's race for the all-time wins record comes to an end, but I can't help but see it as a little bit just.  Not because I think Bowden is a cheater or whatever some other people are calling him, but because I don't think his wins at Howard should count toward his total for this particular record.

Since: Sep 22, 2006
Posted on: June 22, 2009 2:38 pm

Florida State appeal

well, i must say that this will be a first for me. i have been a hurricane since watching the 1987 miami/fsu game on tv (when the noles had that tomahawk that would light up according to the crowd noise). i attended miami in the early 90s and remain a steadfast fan. it slightly pains me to say that while i despise the noles, i have the upmost respect for bobby bowden and what he has accomplished over his entire coaching career. he seems like a strong family man and one helluva coach. the man should be remembered as one of the legends of the sport. now, while he has done some great things in his career, he has also watched over a program that has had its share of sanction-worthy behavior and actions. the widespread and fsu-enabled cheating (oh, i mean the "inappropriate help" as fsu officials called it) is certainly deserving of the penalties being handed down.

i mean, if i wanted a pair of nike sneakers, i know to look to florida state. if i want to cash a fraudulent check, i should become the QB in garnet in gold. but, if i was looking for an AK-47 or to get tasered by a cop or to slap around a woman and get away with it...i'd bypass tallahassee and settle down in the swamp and become a FLORIDA CHEATIN' GATOR! seriously, 24 arrests of his "stedent-athletes" in 4 years and no one in the media or ncaa is talking about urban meyer and the lack of institutional control that exists in gainesville? tell me how that is right!

Since: Oct 7, 2006
Posted on: June 22, 2009 12:43 pm

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You could have picked a better example of Penn Staters on the wrong side of the law than Casey. I may not have all the facts right, but I seem to recall he was absolved of any wrongdoing in that case because he knew the kid from high school, there were some racial slurs thrown his way, there was a history between those two. A high profile player getting into a fight is never a good thing, but it certainly was not a case of a random attack on a cop. Maybe you would want to look at the former player who was convicted of stabbing his roommate to death a few years back.

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