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Picking the Big 12

Posted on: June 29, 2009 3:01 pm
Edited on: June 30, 2009 12:09 pm

The Big 12 South Division race, the Big 12 title game, the Heisman race and the national championship hinged on the conference's three-way tiebreaker. We found out about the 11-year-old rule when Texas, Oklahoma and Texas Tech each tied at 7-1 in the South Division.

Oklahoma "won" the tiebreaker because it finished the regular season as the highest-ranked team in the division  -- by .0128 of a point in the BCS standings. Instead of reliving the Austin angst, let's just say that one Longhorn suggested that if the tiebreaker rule wasn't changed in the offseason his school ought to pull out of the Big 12.

What's changed? Not much. The rule wasn't changed and Texas is still in the league. At the spring meetings, the Big 12 ADs accepted the coaches' vote that the tiebreaker remain the same. Why?

 One theory is that Texas probably doesn't get much sympathy from the other coaches because ... it's Texas. The school is perceived to have the best of everything so it didn't get much sympathy from schools that don't. Yeah, jealousy sucks.

 There is nothing to be gained for schools like Missouri, Iowa State, Colorado, Baylor, etc., so why change? Hey, the league got two teams in the BCS. To the other schools it doesn't matter who plays in those games as long as the money keeps rolling in.

 The tiebreaker makes sense. Why wouldn't you want your highest rated BCS team to win the tiebreaker? There was some feeling that the SEC tiebreaker is fairer.

In a three-way tie, the SEC drops the lowest-ranked team and decides things head-to-head. But since you're chasing a BCS title, the SEC tiebreaker potentially keeps the highest-ranked team out of a title shot.

The tiebreaker would have been a footnote on the national scene had not Texas and Oklahoma been involved. The rivalry was bitter enough without having to explain why the Horns lost out when they beat the Sooners on the field. Yeah, Oklahoma's fortune might cause a bit of consternation in Austin.

"They got a huge break," Texas' Colt McCoy said.

Like I said, nothing has changed. Texas and OU still hate each other. There is a good chance we could have another tiebreaker train wreck at the end of this season. Only the teams will change.

Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State could all start the season in the top 10. The Red River Shootout on Oct. 17 shapes up as one of the most intense in the history of the rivalry. Just for controversy's sake let's assume the Horns win in Dallas, they still have to play in Stillwater on Halloween. If the Cowboys win they could win out until a Nov. 28 date in Norman. If the Sooners win that one, we're looking at another three-way 7-1 finish.

Who wins it in the BCS tiebreaker? In that scenario, you'd have to like Oklahoma again. The Texas loss would be six weeks old by then and beating Oklahoma State impressively would be the emphatic final statement for the computers the pollsters. That same thing happened last year when OU blew out Texas Tech.

Closer to the field, for the second consecutive year the Large Dozen remains the conference of quarterbacks. It sports a Heisman winner (Sam Bradford), a runner-up (Colt McCoy) and well as 2009 Heisman candidate Todd Reesing of Kansas. You can add Oklahoma State's Zac Robinson, Baylor's Robert Griffin and Texas Tech quarterback du jour Taylor Potts as difference makers.

Just giving you a fair warning, Texas fans. Grow your hair out now. You might be pulling it out in December.

Picking the Big 12 ...

North Division

1. Kansas -- If this were Miami, Dezmon Briscoe, Kerry Meier and Reesing would be on the cover of every preseason mag in the country. Meier is the leading returning receiver in catches per game (10.8). Briscoe is second in receiving yards per game (108.2). Reesing already has led the Jayhawks to an Orange Bowl and is in line to become the school's best quarterback ever. Mark Mangino already has proven he can coach. If a new set of starting linebackers can tackle and if KU can beat either Oklahoma, Texas or Texas Tech (he is a combined 0-9 against the three) this could be a special season. The Jayhawks get the slight edge in the North because the Nebraska game is at home.

2. Nebraska -- Bo Pelini is slowly building Huskerville back to its usual standards. Slowly is the key word because defense is Pelini's thing and the D showed astounding lapses last year. Slowly, because Nebraska has not had a first-team All-American on the defensive line in 12 years. Tackle Ndamukong Suh could break the streak. Some draft boards already have him in the top five. There is little room for error where Pelini is a turned ankle away from having real problems at quarterback. Zac Lee is the guy after Patrick Witt, who was being counted on, left before the spring. A lot of folks think Nebraska has the advantage in the North because of its schedule. I see road trips to Missouri, Baylor, Kansas and Colorado, plus a home game against Oklahoma. Please tell me how that is favorable?

3. Missouri -- The Tigers will take a dip after back-to-back Big 12 North titles. Missouri knows it. The fans know it. The league knows it. The key is trying to make an 8-4 season seem like a success. Six-foot-five Blaine Gabbert takes over for Chase Daniel, only the greatest qb in Missouri history. He would be wise to spread the ball out to 1,000-yard rusher Derrick Washington and receivers Danario Alexander and Jared Perry. The Tigers will score, just not as often. If the defense is shored up at all this team could be on the fringes of contending in the North. At times, the secondary looked like a fire drill. Linebacker All-American linebacker candidate Sean Weatherspoon passed up the draft and will chase the school's career tackles record as a senior.

4. Colorado -- Has Hawk Love turned into Hawk Doubt? Entering his fourth season in Boulder, Dan Hawkins has won only 13 games. The pressure is on to produce (hint: Big 12 North contention and a bowl game). Hawkins isn't backing down, saying this at the senior banquet: "Ten wins, no excuses." The quarterback situation is unsettled with son Cody Hawkins and Tyler Hansen maybe sharing the job again. Freshman tailback sensation Darrell Scott was upstaged by fellow freshman Rodney Stewart who led the team in rushing. Here's the scary thing: In a league with unrelenting offenses, CU has lost six of its top 10 tacklers.

5. Kansas State -- This isn't the old Big Eight for Bill Snyder. Back in 1989, he was taking over Kansas State from a zero position. This time he is chasing his own legacy. Not to diminish what Snyder accomplished, but back in the early 1990s, Missouri and Kansas were jokes and Oklahoma was sliding. There was no Texas to play two out of every four years. The Big 12 has more depth and strength than the Big Eight as Snyder tries for Miracle In Manhattan II. Snyder got K-State from dregs to the brink of a national championship game in nine years. Will the 69-year-old have that much time this time around?

6. Iowa State -- Iowa State swapped coaches with Auburn. Gene Chizik went. Paul Rhoads came. Rhoads, from nearby Ankeny, seems like he wants to stay awhile. He'll be looking up at the rest of the Big 12 North for a while. Ripping Wally Burham from South Florida to be his defensive coordinator was a huge get for Rhoads. The offense will have a chance with dual-threat Austen Arnaud at quarterback

South Division

1. Texas -- Mack Brown smiled when I told I had his pregame speech ready for the OU game. "We beat the Sooners last year, boys. Now let's go out and get some revenge!" Yeah, it's about that and a lot of things for Brown and the Horns. Except for perhaps some suspect running backs, Texas is loaded. Brown has his best team since the 2005 national championship crew. Hybrid defensive end/linebacker Sergio Kindle should be this season's Brian Orakpo. McCoy is driven not only by the tiebreaker but also his second-place finish in the Heisman. Still, it all boils down to Oct. 17 in Dallas.

2. Oklahoma -- Sam Bradford won the Heisman, became the first quarterback to win back-to-back Big 12 titles and got the Sooners to the national championship game. What is there left to accomplish? Plenty for Bradford who listened to family and advisors and put off the NFL. His body can fill out a bit and it doesn't look like there will be a Matthew Stafford to compete with in the draft this year. Oklahoma's questions are at offensive line and receiver. If this were anywhere else but the Big 12 South, the Sooners would be prohibitive favorites to repeat. With a break here or there, they still might end back up in the national championship game.

3. Oklahoma State -- With apologies to Texas and Oklahoma, this could be the best offense in the Big 12, if not the country. Returning are a 1,500-yard rusher (Kendall Hunter), an All-American receiver (Dez Bryant), and a 65 percent passer with 25 touchdowns (Robinson). The problem remains defense. New defensive coordinator Bill Young is the Cadillac of his profession. Okie State will be better just because of his presence. Perrish Cox is developing into an NFL talent at corner and is one of the nation's best returners.

4. Texas Tech -- The Red Raiders slip back to the 8-4 level this season. You know the drill: Potts will throw for eight million yards. There will be a 1,000-yard receiver or two. Mike Leach will be his usual quote-machine self. However, last season was a once-in-10-year event. There is payback waiting at Texas, at Oklahoma State and at Nebraska.

5. Baylor -- Does any Big 12 school have more upside? Joe Pawelek is an All-Big 12 linebacker. Center J.D. Walton anchors the offensive line now that Jason Smith is gone. But let's be honest, the moment quarterback Robert Griffin followed coach Art Briles to Baylor (from his commitment to Houston), things took off. A sprinter with Olympic aspirations, Griffin gave up the Big 12 track season to concentrate on what should be his breakout season in Waco. If there is a one-man team in the league, this is it. Griffin also was the team's No. 2 rusher. With more weight and more knowledge, Griffin should become the most elusive dual-threat in the Big 12 since Vince Young. At stake is a 14-year bowl drought. That ties for the longest active streak among BCS schools.

6. Texas A&M -- One former Big Eight coach said it during the offseason: This is A&M. It should be able to go over to the Houston high schools and scrounge up a couple of defensive linemen. In Mike Sherman's second season, d-line is a good place to start. The one-time Wrecking Crew was Charmin soft as one of the worst defensive units in the country. After the non-conference games, the Aggies gave up less than 35 once. Once! Nineteen players had surgery in the offseason. The Aggies better get fat early. The season ends with Oklahoma, Baylor and Texas.


Since: Jun 24, 2009
Posted on: July 2, 2009 10:31 pm

Picking the Big 12

Flex, The reason i picked Kansas up there is because , number one, They are my second favorite team (no matter what sport) and Number 2...

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sp;      Apparently U must have forgotten 2 years ago when Kansas Was on top of the Big 12 north and most of the south...

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bsp;   And dont get me wrong i think its gonna be a toss up between Texas and KU in the Finale... Because MY FAVORITE TEAM IS TEXAS! .... Im just going with my gut feeling....

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sp;      and about the Baylor thing... I have a new found love for their Quarterback.

Since: Mar 7, 2007
Posted on: July 2, 2009 8:22 pm

Picking the Big 12

Texas has beaten OU 3 of the last 4 years.
Sam Bradford is 1-1 against Texas.
Colt McCoy is 2-1 against OU.
Texas is 58-40-5 versus OU.  Which means Texas would have to lose for 19 straight for OU to have a winning record against Texas.
Texas is #2 with all-time wins in FOOTBALL.
More players from Texas play football for OU than from Oklahoma. This is true for OSU, also.  TU, that's Tulsa University for the Aggies :-), has the greatest percentage of OK in their roster.
Jevan Snead couldn't start ahead of Colt McCoy, transferred to Ole Miss, beat Florida and Texas Tech. He's supposed to be the best pro-prospect in the SEC?  College football is odd and interesting...---
Did I mention that Texas is #2 in Baseball all-time wins and swept OU?

Since: Nov 3, 2008
Posted on: July 2, 2009 5:28 pm

Picking the Big 12

Gadawgs, seriously man you may need to get medicated. Let's break down your ramblings.

Georgia beat them badly last year. They were slow. Mac Brown barely beat them screaming you better hold on. They had the ball and ran out of time. My wife was screaming as you were. Texas blew a big lead and held on by a thread.
Georgia beat who badly last year? Who was slow? You make no reference of the proposed slow team you supposedly beat last year. It looks as if you are talking about Oklahoma State. When you say, "Mack Brown barely beat them", it suggests you mean OSU. If Oklahoma State is the team you are referring to, you are extremely mistaken.  Georgia didn't play nor beat Oklahoma State last year.
During the regular season, Oklahoma State lost 3 games, OU, Texas and Texas Tech. Again, you and your IQ issue.

Let us hope Oklahoma does not lose another all american in the big game again this year.  IQ that!
Yes, let's hope. Let us hope noone loses anyone to injury.  What is your point? Is that sarcasm? Do you actually mean you think that is funny? Incredible.

They should beat us missing a two heisman hopeful players like Stafford and Moreno.You aren't "missing" two heisman hopefuls. They aren't on your roster.  They aren't missing, they aren't in college. Again, you and the IQ.

We share the talent with other teams. We do not get all the recruits like a Texas and Oklahoma. Balance is something your IQ has never been tested in.I am not quite sure where to go with this so I will give it the old college try. "We share the talent with other teams". So, are you saying you loan your players to other teams when you feel generous? Borrow from others? Which talent are we speaking of exactly? You don't get all the recruits like texas and OU? Ok, neither does Colorada or Idaho. What's your point? So, then you wrap this up and call it balance? So, your saying, Oklahoma, Texas, USC, Florida should all come together and make sure the rest of the teams are balanced? If not maybe turn over some good players to them so as to create "balance"? That sounds like an Obama plan or something.

Since: Feb 18, 2008
Posted on: July 2, 2009 11:39 am

Picking the Big 12

Spinkiller! Why do you not have something else to say. Actually three degrees and I lived in Texas since 1982. Maybe the IQ has fallen with the rest of the Big12's defensive stats. and the average testing scores in the schools here.  My IQ is getting better listening to people who dominate the recruiting every year and hold astronomical winning adantages against all they play in the Big12. They still cry when they don't get to the big game. IQ is low when you root for someone who has little chance of losing more than one game every year and think your team plays a schedule. It is kind of like Auggie getting his team to the College World Series 33 times by playing Texas Pan American, Texas Corpus Christi, Texas State, Texas San Antonio, Dallas Baptist and those powerhouses to win 40 plus every year. All those ranked Big12 teams and they all exited early. Gives you a false sense of security and a very high RPI and undeserved ranking. Their comebacks finally ran out after surviving Army, B.C. and Texas State at home. Surviving TCU in game three at home. Thank God they found the homerun ball in Omaha for the rest of their comebacks. Then again Roger Clemmons may have visited the locker room with his juice to help the program again. It is laughable that the so called best pitching staff had to go 25 innings at home against a first time B.C. team. What made matters worse they were forced to a game three with TCU at home. 

It takes your level of IQ and posts to not see a LSU team that made only 11 college World Series with just as many titles as a Texas team that has had 33 chances. Do the Texas math again for me. 5 of 11 compared to 5 of 33. Give an SEC team that many tries with the majority of talent and their schedule and we smoke your national baseball titles. That also applies to an 0-5 Oklahoma in BCS games. Maybe IQ should be taken into account when ranking teams in the top ten who have awful defenses and get the ranking based on beating someone you seldom lose too. Those doormats have to be ranked after beating one ranked team sometime so your rankings do not continue to be honored. Beating the same ranked Big 12 teams by 40, 50 and 60 points in your seasons only shows NCAA IQ on ranking who you play. They should not rank your doormats if they cannot beat you guys once in 11 years(Texas Tech) and the other teams records tax anyone's IQ to figure the lopsided advantages Texas and Oklahoma have enjoyed. 

The best IQ is Texas having to hire a "Georgia Bulldog" to improve their sorry defense. At least they know what the SEC stands for. The best thing is the wife played in the Big12 and the family are coaches in Texas. They agree Texas gets the best talent and underperforms due to no balance or challenges. Maybe Mac Brown can get you another 13th ranked Michigan to beat in the Rose Bowl and survive 38 to 37. Or maybe USC 45 to 42. My IQ says they were again non-defensive games with lots of scoring. Nothing new since then and nothing new from the Big12 fans. Beat someone you have not dominated then talk about IQ's. Yes you also own the all time record against Oklahoma too! So please don't use that weak defense. Tebow did!

Try playing something other than golf or tennis sometime. Maybe your IQ would improve in contact sports. No one has to guess what IQ it would take to predict Texas and Oklahoma will be in the same position and rankings for the next ten years. So this is all the same the past ten years. You do not have to a high IQ as a fan or a coach in a one game conference every year. No IQ needed for the lousy conference championship evry year as well. 

The differnce is Texas and Oklahoma can play lousy and win in the Big12(except Texas Tech miracle). The SEC does not have that advantage, not even Florida. My team played lousy and lost big with good talent. The defense was awful. No pass rush. My IQ knows that. We share the talent with other teams. We do not get all the recruits like a Texas and Oklahoma. Balance is something your IQ has never been tested in. The bowls last year with the Big12 heavy reduction in scoring and  key losses gave you an indication of whose IQ is far superior. I see the same for your posts and your lessons have not improved your IQ at all. ESPN predicts as you do. Possible losses. 

We are jealous of that one thing in the SEC. You have very little opportunity to lose and come in rested due to a weak conference and championship game. You never get beaten up and come in limping or have a low ranking to climb up from. That is the basis for your high level of sports thinking. You are spoiled and your tie breaker vote reinforced that Texas Oklahoma way of dominance in rankings. Go Oklahoma State. They should beat us missing a two heisman hopeful players like Stafford and Moreno. Masaquoi our senior leading WR went pro too. Take Mc Coy, Shipley and your senior WR and see you beat them. 

Georgia beat them badly last year. They were slow. Mac Brown barely beat them screaming you better hold on. They had the ball and ran out of time. My wife was screaming as you were. Texas blew a big lead and held on by a thread. Just like Texas Tech did against the Longhorns. Let us hope Oklahoma does not lose another all american in the big game again this year.  IQ that!

I would love to see Florida play Texas. Florida has more of a chance of losing more than one game in their conference. Not he case for your two dominate teams. That makes it hard to happen along with a hard played conference championship and no rest in the SEC.     &

Since: Aug 15, 2006
Posted on: July 2, 2009 2:28 am

Picking the Big 12

West Virginia's beautiful. Not exactly known for thier football there but they've had a couple nice teams and really played a well against Oklahoma a few years ago.  It's always nice to see a team like that have a little success.

Ok, figured I'd give my Big XII predictions since everyone else is and I'm working late and its a lot of hurry up and wait tonight. 


1. Nebraska  (9-3)

They lose to VT, Oklahoma, and ehhhh Colorado!  The offense will have trouble gelling.  If the O-line can get it going I like the talent on the outside and I like the running backs.  Defensively Nebraska is deep in the back 7.  They're going to use a lot of guys and they'll all hit and be fast.  They went from 112th defensively to 55th.  This year they climb into the 25's and first in the Big XII.

2. Kansas (9-3)

They lose to Oklahoma, Texas, and Nebraska:  Reesing gives them an edge over the North.  I still like Nebraska's athletic defense to beat them but they'll have a good year and win all the games they should.

3. Colorado (7-5)

They lose to CSU, WVU, Texas, Kansas, and Okie State.  Call me crazy but I think Hawkins is a good coach.  I also think Colorado is on the right track with Hansen and Hawkins.  Both are quality college QB's with experience and that in my mind gives them an edge over a lot of teams in the North.  They're going to start slow and struggle against teams they dont have the talent to match up against but by the end of the year they'll be humming and Hawkins will save his job with a dramatic win over Nebraska. 

4. Missouri (5-7)

They lose to Illinois, Nebraska, Okie STate, Texas, Colorado, Baylor, and Kansas.  I've never been sold on Pinkel.  I don't think he's a very good coach and with all the personel loses I don't see this team responding well.  They're going to have a rough year.

5. Kansas State  (3-9)

They beat ISU but no one else in the Big XII.  I also think they'll struggle in the OOC.  Synder's a great coach but he doesn't have the horses.

6. Iowa State (3-9) 

Ohhhh...It's going to be bad.  Coaching changes combined with a program that doesn't want to invest at the same level as the rest of the Big XII.   They just wont be very good.  I think Paul Rhodes could be the guy for this program but this won't be the year. 

Overall I think the North will be weak.  It will be up to Nebraska and Kansas to carry the water.  If one of those two can pull an upset over a Big XII south team it would be huge. 

And here's the quick and dirty on the South:

1. Oklahoma (12-0)

Theyre good.  Not to worried about the O-line, they'll use their weapons and Stoops will have them motivated.

2. Texas (11-1)

McCoy loses to OU but wins the Heisman

3. Oklahoma State (10-2)

Scary good offense.  Possible BCS team

4. Baylor (7-5)

Briles and Griffin put Baylor football back on the map!

5. Texas Tech (6-6)

They'll struggle this year. They're losing too much.

6. Texas A&M (4-8)

I think Shermans getting some talent, although I think last years team had talent too I just dont know if he can coach college kids yet.

Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: July 2, 2009 1:24 am

Picking the Big 12

Big East -Uhm(again), who exactly can hang with Oklahoma? West Virginia-THIS year?  Haha.  You make me laugh.
Yeah..................... West Virginia !!!!!  you Fool !!!!

Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: July 2, 2009 1:22 am

Picking the Big 12

BigEasy. Let WVU run all over you again !

Since: Jul 1, 2009
Posted on: July 2, 2009 1:10 am

Picking the Big 12

I have some college football stuff up already but my top 25 pre season countdown is coming day by day team by team...stop on by

Since: Aug 15, 2006
Posted on: July 2, 2009 12:46 am

Picking the Big 12

You can certainly tell Kansas isn't used to success in football.  I'd probably react the same way if Nebraska ever made any noise in basketball but getting all excited about winning the north??  It would be a nice year for Kansas if they can pull it off but I'll tell you this...there aint Oklahoma, Texas, Nebraska, and probably even Texas A&M fan who thinks winning the South or North is worth calling other programs beoottchhs over.  Outright Big XII title, BCS bowl win, National Champions perhaps.  These would be things worth bragging about.  North champs is a nice little achievement. 

Since: Nov 3, 2008
Posted on: July 2, 2009 12:44 am

Picking the Big 12

Gadawgs, everytime you post on this thread you expose your extremely low IQ. OSU will mop the floor with your little Bulldogs soon enough.

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