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Kansas deserves better

Posted on: December 3, 2009 8:32 pm
Edited on: December 3, 2009 9:42 pm
 
Mark Mangino will never be a head coach again, not at this level.

Not at a place like Kansas where he took a basketball school to the Orange Bowl.

Not in the Big 12, where just two years ago he became national coach of the year. It is both troubling and just that Mangino is gone after allegations of verbal and physical abuse of his players. Troubling because if allegations are true, then dozens of coaches and players are guilty of staying silent -- for years.

Only during a season-ending seven-game losing streak did word leak out. Troubling because those same coaches and players were too intimidated to say anything, worried about losing their scholarships or their jobs.

Who knows how many other players and coaches have been put in this situation at other schools? At Kansas, a code of silence enabled a flawed man to allegedly belittle his players. The decision to get rid of the coach is just, because Mangino had to be stopped.

His methods went beyond tough love or aggressive coaching. If only a fraction of the episodes are true -- many will never come to light -- then Mangino has been in denial about his conduct for too long. At this point it seems that the terms of the settlement will keep us from ever knowing the true extent of the alleged abuse. Reports have some of the conduct going back decades to a high school job for Mangino in Pennsylvania.

We can only hope that Mangino becomes a better man. As a coach, he was a discliplinarian, a trait that belied his 400-pound frame. Based on the allegations, anger management counseling might be in order. Let's hope his alleged victims recover too. Now it's time to move on.

Buffalo's Turner Gill is a perfect replacement. Right now, he is No. 1 on AD Lew Perkins' list.

The interest, it seems, is mutual.

A good coach -- and a better man -- for Kansas is waiting in the wings.

Category: NCAAF
Tags: Kansas
 
Comments

Since: Dec 17, 2009
Posted on: December 17, 2009 3:55 pm
 

Kansas deserves better

Coach Mangino will coach at a better school.  One without the whimps and cry babies.  Funny how you never heard that about Coach Mangino before.  All those years and nothing.  Comes to Kansas and a bunch of your low life players start crying.  I don't condone verbal or physical abuse, but how come it only comes out now?  Sure he wasn't a head coach but let's face it, if that's his trait as many have spilt tears over then how come he never did it before?  Kansas experienced a season they only see once every two hundred years or so, then they go back to their roots of losing and the players can't take it.

It's Kansas, it's not a power house.  Never has been never will be.  Good football players go to good programs, the others go to Kansas and the likes.

I believe Mr. Gill will do fine at Kansa and then move on in a few years.  He won't be satisfied with the .500 seasons which are damn good years there, and he won't put up with the back stabbing mamby pamby ways of Kansans.

Enjoy your basketball and why don't you close shop on football you have all proved you don't have the metal to be playaz.



Since: Apr 21, 2009
Posted on: December 6, 2009 11:41 am
 

Kansas deserves better

melampus1- I really hope you are kidding. I think you might be, but just to clarify... WTH are you talking about?



Since: Jun 23, 2009
Posted on: December 5, 2009 11:44 pm
 

Kansas deserves better

I know like 75% of the people on these boards are right-wingers so I'm not surprised that the "boss man" isn't expected to be held responsible for his actions.  Only the poor get the "well you need to take responsibility for your actions" shit**** thrown at them. 



Since: Oct 19, 2007
Posted on: December 5, 2009 9:55 am
 

Kansas deserves better

Think about this Catizona, Saban has been a head coach in at least three major conferences, maybe after he wins the BCS title game he will leave for Kansas. He  usually only stays five years every where he has coached so far. I know he has only been at 'Bama for three but it would be another challenge for him.



Since: Dec 18, 2008
Posted on: December 4, 2009 11:56 pm
 

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Since: Jan 10, 2008
Posted on: December 4, 2009 10:44 pm
 

Kansas deserves better

It's truly amazing how many of the comments here frame this as a "toughness" issue.  Like Kansas doesn't know that football coaches sometimes have to be tough on their players, or push their players hard.  Or that Kansas is being too politically correct here, or coddling players that complained about Mangino.  It's one thing to demand the best from your players, to push them to their limits, and even get in their face sometimes to get a point across.  But it's quite another to cross the line into inappropriate verbal abuse, personal insults, and crass and demeaning behavior.  If you can't judge the difference between the two, then you're a bit of an idiot.  Everyone who has played a lot of sports and had a lot of coaches knows the diffrence between a tough coach who pushes you very hard, and sometimes strikes a nerve in doing so, but is still a good coach, and the abusive a-hole who frequently crosses the line.  It's like the diffrence as a player between playing physical and tough, versus playing cheap and dirty.  There's a difference, and anyone with any sense knows it and recognizes it.  If the allegations about Mangino are true, and it's stuff that goes back and has been going on awhile as alleged, then he clearly crossed the line and Kansas was right to get rid of him.  It's a university where young people are being educated and molded, and how the coach does things and conducts himself matters.  

We don't need a well reasoned opinion around here, Professor Iron Pig. 



Since: Dec 27, 2007
Posted on: December 4, 2009 10:11 pm
 

Kansas deserves better

Some values many of you have.Your arrogance borders on hubris. Who are you to judge anyone?

Mostly really ignorant comments so far.  Then stop reading yours.

What about personal responsibility??
You should talk. Judge not, lest ye be judged..


what's that to do with the issue at hand here? The issue at hand is this schmuck Dodd rips Mangino, yet is the first to defend a loser like Willingham and a hack like that  feamole Stillwater sportswriter. Mangino may have been wrong, but I'll bet you anything you want if his team won 7 in a row, instead of losing 7 in a row, he'd be coaching there next year with a slap on the wrist.

It's ok to behave like that as long as the team wins?  Really?  Actually yes. Kansas only acted when he started losing.



Since: Sep 19, 2007
Posted on: December 4, 2009 6:29 pm
 

Kansas deserves better

Thank you iron pig I couldn't have said it any better. We're trying to mold young minds into being productive members of society. And really at the end of the day it still is just a game. You don't need somone yelling racial comments and screaming and yelling demeaning comments to players. What does that teach them? If these allegations are true then he needed to go. Plain and simple. You don't want that image for your school. And by the way you can still be tough and push your kids to them limit without telling them to go home and get shot by their homies.



Since: Oct 15, 2009
Posted on: December 4, 2009 6:27 pm
 

Kansas deserves better

I'm sorry, but Doddouche is such an a$$hole!  If Tim Tebow had "allegedly" given someone the finger, Dodd would be all mushy-gushy and saying that these are only allegations and haven't been proven.  Further proof that Doddouche is an SEC homer.

The only things that disappoint me about Mangino is that he's a fat, obese S.O.B.  It's kind of hard to respect a coach whose job it is to turn boys into war machines, yet he huffs and puffs just walking to the donut counter.  And the other thing is that he's apparently recruited some pu$$ies to come play for him.

As has been pointed out, Mangino turned that program around immediately.  While he hasn't produced any Big XII championships, he has certainly made KU more of a competitive team, which has given the Big XII a much needed boost.  Is Mangino perfect?  Hell no.  None of us are.  But to be accused of abuse for making these little pansy a$$es do crab walks or for yelling hurtful things at them is insane.  Mangino sees potential in some of these guys.  He's getting to their core in order to get the best out of them.  Positive motivation is great if it works, but it's not always the answer.  Sometimes you have to remind people of what their options are if they succeed or if they fail.  Telling someone that he'll end up back in the ghetto and may get shot like his brother may seem harsh, but it's a reality.  Does it sting?  Sure.  But a slap in the face is sometimes needed to get someone's attention.  And poking someone in the chest?  Or grabbing their facemask while ripping their a$$?  C'mon!  Give me a break!

I hope Kansa$$ is quick to realize the mistake they made in not giving the guy the respect he deserved.  Good luck to Mangino . . . in his football career and at Jenny Craig.



Since: Dec 4, 2009
Posted on: December 4, 2009 4:53 pm
 

Kansas deserves better

It's truly amazing how many of the comments here frame this as a "toughness" issue.  Like Kansas doesn't know that football coaches sometimes have to be tough on their players, or push their players hard.  Or that Kansas is being too politically correct here, or coddling players that complained about Mangino.  It's one thing to demand the best from your players, to push them to their limits, and even get in their face sometimes to get a point across.  But it's quite another to cross the line into inappropriate verbal abuse, personal insults, and crass and demeaning behavior.  If you can't judge the difference between the two, then you're a bit of an idiot.  Everyone who has played a lot of sports and had a lot of coaches knows the diffrence between a tough coach who pushes you very hard, and sometimes strikes a nerve in doing so, but is still a good coach, and the abusive a-hole who frequently crosses the line.  It's like the diffrence as a player between playing physical and tough, versus playing cheap and dirty.  There's a difference, and anyone with any sense knows it and recognizes it.  If the allegations about Mangino are true, and it's stuff that goes back and has been going on awhile as alleged, then he clearly crossed the line and Kansas was right to get rid of him.  It's a university where young people are being educated and molded, and how the coach does things and conducts himself matters.  



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