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Kansas deserves better

Posted on: December 3, 2009 8:32 pm
Edited on: December 3, 2009 9:42 pm
Mark Mangino will never be a head coach again, not at this level.

Not at a place like Kansas where he took a basketball school to the Orange Bowl.

Not in the Big 12, where just two years ago he became national coach of the year. It is both troubling and just that Mangino is gone after allegations of verbal and physical abuse of his players. Troubling because if allegations are true, then dozens of coaches and players are guilty of staying silent -- for years.

Only during a season-ending seven-game losing streak did word leak out. Troubling because those same coaches and players were too intimidated to say anything, worried about losing their scholarships or their jobs.

Who knows how many other players and coaches have been put in this situation at other schools? At Kansas, a code of silence enabled a flawed man to allegedly belittle his players. The decision to get rid of the coach is just, because Mangino had to be stopped.

His methods went beyond tough love or aggressive coaching. If only a fraction of the episodes are true -- many will never come to light -- then Mangino has been in denial about his conduct for too long. At this point it seems that the terms of the settlement will keep us from ever knowing the true extent of the alleged abuse. Reports have some of the conduct going back decades to a high school job for Mangino in Pennsylvania.

We can only hope that Mangino becomes a better man. As a coach, he was a discliplinarian, a trait that belied his 400-pound frame. Based on the allegations, anger management counseling might be in order. Let's hope his alleged victims recover too. Now it's time to move on.

Buffalo's Turner Gill is a perfect replacement. Right now, he is No. 1 on AD Lew Perkins' list.

The interest, it seems, is mutual.

A good coach -- and a better man -- for Kansas is waiting in the wings.

Category: NCAAF
Tags: Kansas

Since: Oct 19, 2007
Posted on: December 4, 2009 11:22 am

Kansas deserves better

I agree with you completely ku_football_06! I said it on my own thread that thanks to PC and the educational system we have turned boys into girls and girls into boys. When I was in football I was berated, beaten and cussed out many a time and it only made me try even harder and that's what the coach wanted to be the best that I could be. Thanks again for your thread.

Since: Dec 18, 2006
Posted on: December 4, 2009 11:02 am

Kansas deserves better

That's funny!  And of course abusive of obese people..

Since: May 4, 2009
Posted on: December 4, 2009 10:58 am

nobody cared when he was winning

Lew Perkins needs to get a life.  If Mangino wasn't the size of a house, one would think he had slept with the AD's wife to draw this much ire.  Football coaches yell at their players.  Big whoop.  They tear them down and build them back up.  Some things may have been over the top, but there is a reason that nobody cared when they went to the Orange Bowl.  Now they lose their last 7 games after a 5-0 start and in the middle of that Perkins sees an opening and starts fomenting dissension within the team.  Perkins gave the players with gripes legitimacy, when before they'd be inclined to suck it up and move on.

KU is a stepping stone job.  They'll be lucky to find anybody else who will take them to a BCS game and then stick around in Lawrence to boot.  Mangino was a good fit.

Since: Aug 18, 2009
Posted on: December 4, 2009 10:31 am

Kansas deserves better

And your hearing this from a Tiger fan!

Since: Aug 18, 2009
Posted on: December 4, 2009 10:29 am

Kansas deserves better

I hope Turner don't go to KU! And what does the SEC have to do with Kansas? They are in the BIG 12! Yeah, he probably should of got hired at Auburn but he didn't! Have had it to here ------------ with the SEC! Can't wait for Texas to give the SEC champ the beatdown they have coming! signed a Cornhusker fan!

Since: Sep 8, 2006
Posted on: December 4, 2009 10:26 am

Kansas deserves better

Dodd, why as a journalist with your alleged integrity you must refer to Mangino as having a 400 pound frame ? How journalistically does this make your story more interesting or credibleExcellent point!  Couldn't this be considered abusive or belittling to Mangino, or overweight people in general?  I can only hope the "victims" of Dodd's "abuse" will ever recover...

Since: Dec 4, 2009
Posted on: December 4, 2009 10:21 am

Kansas deserves better

Dodd, why as a journalist with your alleged integrity you must refer to Mangino as having a 400 pound frame ? How journalistically does this make your story more interesting or credible. With your standard of logic, shouldn't you have referred to Turner Gill as black or African-American ? Keep it  professional you moron.

Since: Nov 4, 2007
Posted on: December 4, 2009 10:18 am

Kansas deserves better

Kansas deserves better?   WTH??   I completely disagree.

They don't deserve squat.   They screwed this one up so damned bad they will be in the cellar of the Big 12 for well over a decade now if not longer.   No one is going to want anything to do with their football program unless they are total losers who have no chance anywhere else.   Lew Perkins did exactly what you would want your AD to avoid most, and that's bury the program.    Its like they imposed their own death sentence he screwed it up so bad.    Hopefully, the basketball program goes down the toilet next.    The only thing KU deserves is Perkins, other than that they don't deserve squat.

Since: Jun 18, 2009
Posted on: December 4, 2009 10:18 am

Kansas deserves better

   I agree.   From what Ive heard, his physical "abuse" of players were things like grabbing a kids arm while berating him and putting a finger in their chest.   Yeah, thats really hardcore "abuse"  right there.   Football is a physical game and if you are a man, you should be able to physically and mentally handle the coach poking you in the chest while admonishing you for something in practice.  This is just another step in the sissifying of our society.   These guys can try and take a guys head off on the field and thats OK but if the coach pokes you when you get to the sidelines, they cry like babies.   I cant think of one coach I ever had that didnt  touch his players in such a way or grab their facemask while yelling at them or something along those lines.  And now we have pussies like Dodd saying he hopes Manginos "victims"  are able to "recover".  Are you serious?   It wasnt meant to hurt players physically but was a way to express the seriousness of what the coach was saying.  It certainly didnt actually hurt.  So if it isnt meant to hurt the player and it doesnt actually hurt the player.............................

QUIT YOU CRYING!!  Im calling out the guys from Kansas who I have heard quoted  as bitches because the claims that I have heard are laughable as "abuse".   
; His verbal comments were across the line but not so far to justify firing him or even a harsh reprimand.  This is a matter that should have been handled internally and monitored from this point forward but beyong that, I think Kansas overreacted.  I bet if KU was 10-2 again, he wouldnt have gotten fired.  This is coming from a completely unbiased source because Im a Gator fan and couldnt give a flip about Kansas or Mangino.

Since: Sep 8, 2006
Posted on: December 4, 2009 10:05 am

Kansas deserves better

What's ridiculous about this is that Lew Perkins and KU decided to ignore all the issues while Mangino built a solid program.  Then they satart to slide a little and go from complete tolerance to forcing the guy out...

After going 12-1 in 2007, winning the Orange Bowl and being honored as the national coach of the year, Mangino was given a raise and contract extension through 2012
So he probably just starting acting like a jerk after the contract extension, huh?

Where's his progressive discipline?  He was never warned that he couldn't act that way, then suddenly pushed out the door for it?  I know you can say he should've known better, but he is from an era where coaches regularly acted this way and worse.  Anyone who's ever played football has had a coach embarrass them at one point or another.  Most have had their facemask yanked by an angry headset-wearing maniac.  And many have had to endure painful drills that caused injury.  This situation opens up Pandora's box if people are going to seriously look at getting rid of every coach who's a hardass.

Mangino was expected to just "know better" without ever being disciplined for his actions.  I have a hard time believing that Perkins never heard any grumbling about this before a month ago.  So why is he not held accountable as Mangino's boss?  Coaches always take the blame for losing or lack of control or whatever, but what about their bosses. 

Also, what kind of AD gives three coaches the interim head coaching job?  But Perkins is at the helm of a department with the #1 basketball team in the country with a very recent National Championship, so I guess he's safe.  In the same way Mangino was safe when he won the Orange Bowl.

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