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Kansas deserves better

Posted on: December 3, 2009 8:32 pm
Edited on: December 3, 2009 9:42 pm
Mark Mangino will never be a head coach again, not at this level.

Not at a place like Kansas where he took a basketball school to the Orange Bowl.

Not in the Big 12, where just two years ago he became national coach of the year. It is both troubling and just that Mangino is gone after allegations of verbal and physical abuse of his players. Troubling because if allegations are true, then dozens of coaches and players are guilty of staying silent -- for years.

Only during a season-ending seven-game losing streak did word leak out. Troubling because those same coaches and players were too intimidated to say anything, worried about losing their scholarships or their jobs.

Who knows how many other players and coaches have been put in this situation at other schools? At Kansas, a code of silence enabled a flawed man to allegedly belittle his players. The decision to get rid of the coach is just, because Mangino had to be stopped.

His methods went beyond tough love or aggressive coaching. If only a fraction of the episodes are true -- many will never come to light -- then Mangino has been in denial about his conduct for too long. At this point it seems that the terms of the settlement will keep us from ever knowing the true extent of the alleged abuse. Reports have some of the conduct going back decades to a high school job for Mangino in Pennsylvania.

We can only hope that Mangino becomes a better man. As a coach, he was a discliplinarian, a trait that belied his 400-pound frame. Based on the allegations, anger management counseling might be in order. Let's hope his alleged victims recover too. Now it's time to move on.

Buffalo's Turner Gill is a perfect replacement. Right now, he is No. 1 on AD Lew Perkins' list.

The interest, it seems, is mutual.

A good coach -- and a better man -- for Kansas is waiting in the wings.

Category: NCAAF
Tags: Kansas

Since: Dec 3, 2007
Posted on: December 4, 2009 2:27 am

Kansas deserves better

Yeah, he took Kansas to two straight bowl games!  I know I had trouble imaging that.

Since: Dec 7, 2007
Posted on: December 4, 2009 2:12 am

Kansas deserves better

I think some of you are missing the point.  The alleged abuses went well beyond just cussing players out.  If that's all that happened, then there would be merit to this attitude of he should still be head coach.  Players are coming forward saying he dragged personal problems of the players, told in confidence to the coach, into practices and used them to humiliate players.  Others were derided for not playing with serious injuries.  I encourage everyone to not knee jerk react to Dodd but look into the allegations for yourselves.

In the end, Perkins was left with little chioce other than to force Mangino out.  The allegations would have killed recruiting for KU.  Mangino's personna was also dragging down efforts to raise 34 million for some luxury boxes and an exclusive club for KU alums and suppporters.  Perkins was not the one who hired him, and probably wanted to get his own coach in eventually.  A coach better suited for fundraising along with winning.  There are some who will claim that Mangino was the reason Roy Williams left KU and further claim he didn't have a good relationship with Bill Self either.  I get this information from long time KU people I know.  Many of them were never fond of Mangino from the beginning but tolerated him when the team began to turn around and they won games against K-State and MU.

Somewhere in all these factors are the real reasons Mark Mangino "resigned".  His teams usually played hard and seemed well coached generally.  That started to break down some during this losing streak,  In the end, it is probably better for KU to move on.  There are better coaches out there and wanting an opportunity to coach in a BCS conference like the Big-12.  I don't know if Turner Gill is the answer though.

And yes, I do favor Missouri although I am a Big-12 fan in general and did attend the Orange Bowl thay KU won.  Just trying to be objective as much as possible here.

Since: May 15, 2009
Posted on: December 4, 2009 1:39 am

Kansas deserves better

C'mon Dodd! This is football. Full-contact, one level from the top, football. This isn't the flag football you must have played. These aren't pop warner pee-wees we're talking about. I'm not a KU fan at all, but Mangino brought the program out of the gutter and actually made them relevant in the Big 12. If this guy never gets a job again, then Lou Holtz should be fired immediately. Jimmy Johnson should forfeit his national titles. Barry Switzer should hide in shame. Bo Schembechler should be villified. Bear Bryant should have his name removed from the Stadium. I could go on and on about coaches who pushed the envelope. The point is, this is a tough game, with tough expectations. Did he cross the line? Probably. However, if the team was 10-2, this might have a different outcome. In house penalties and new ground rules would have sufficed. This guy should not be black balled from coaching. Unless of course, he was coaching Dodd's fag football team. 

Since: May 6, 2008
Posted on: December 4, 2009 1:26 am

When will I learn?

CBS writers are some of the worst if not the worst sportswriters.  I think they write this garbage just to piss people off.  Nobody really knows the extent of what happened except for a select few at KU.  Rumors are not facts!  If they want to make up facts then maybe these guys should write for US magazine or the National Enquirer.  Coach Knight was just as bad as Mangino and he found another job at this level.  Dotty maybe you should quite reading blogs and taken their rumors as facts.

Since: Jan 22, 2007
Posted on: December 4, 2009 1:14 am

Kansas deserves better

Why is Turner Gill always so hyped up?  He only has one winning season and an overall losing record at Buffalo.  I know Buffalo's not exactly USC, but taking a complete crap program up to below average isn't all that much of an accomplishment.  Why is he always the first guy mentioned for these jobs?

Since: Jun 9, 2008
Posted on: December 4, 2009 1:01 am

Kansas deserves better

He should have got a better look at the Auburn job ?! Are you crazy ! He got to close if you ask me. He has had 1 good year at Buffalo. That's it. Gill is not ready for a BCS conference. Gill would be a good fit for UAB in the CUSA. Thats about all.

Since: Nov 28, 2009
Posted on: December 4, 2009 12:34 am

Kansas deserves better

It's understandable that you are concerned about your team losing its coach, however the headlines read that Mangino "resigned".  Whether he chose to leave or was "forced" out, Mangino never made his presence quiet.  Successful college football coaches are quiet in the jobs that they do... Bobby Bowden, Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer, Joe Paterno and even Nick Saban (apart from job jumping) are very quiet in the course of their season.  When is the last time you heard any signficant comment from these guys during the course of the season apart from the post game interview?  Never.  Mangino has quotes and comments out there constantly and it's his choice to do so... but, given the state of the union right now, he has to expect what happened.  He's not a dumb guy, so he has to expect what happened.  I'm sorry that you lost your coach, but I'm not surprised.

Since: Nov 12, 2009
Posted on: December 4, 2009 12:29 am
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Since: Jan 27, 2007
Posted on: December 4, 2009 12:29 am

Kansas deserves better

geohawk:  In five words you have displayed more insight than Dodds and all his ends. 

Since: Nov 6, 2008
Posted on: December 4, 2009 12:25 am

Kansas deserves better

Maybe Pederson was a jerk I don't know for sure, but he was a crappy AD.  He proved that when fire Solich and hire Callahan.
Lew Perkins is a crappy AD.  He proved that with this whole Mangino affair.

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