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The Fiesta Bowl situation

Posted on: December 7, 2009 3:07 pm
Edited on: December 7, 2009 4:43 pm

I want to believe the Fiesta Bowl is breaking new ground with matching TCU and Boise against each other. It has more than a 35-year history of thinking out of the box.

Remember Miami-Penn State in 1987? That was a Fiesta-arranged meeting between No. 1 and No. 2. Right or wrong, Louisville filled a void in 1991 when the Martin Luther King holiday controversy raged.

So what are we supposed to make of TCU-Boise State? The bowl says the game is a ratings winner for TV. The stats say that last year’s Poinsettia Bowl between the same two teams was the 15th highest rated bowl.

The bowl says it’s a chance to match up a couple of unbeaten non-BCS teams. In that sense, Orrin Hatch, the schools, the Mountain West and Congress can’t complain. The alternative was playing a two-loss team from a major conference.

That’s what TCU and Boise probably wanted but neither school can complain either. They are playing the highest ranked team available -- except that they aren’t. The ideal matchup would be TCU vs. Cincinnati. But as executive director John Junker explained Cincinnati is like a long-distance girlfriend, not very geographically desirable.

OK, so this isn’t the best matchup. It isn’t particularly a TV ratings winner either, although TCU-Cincinnati would be worse.

Here’s a working theory based on nothing but conjecture …

 There was some low-level pressure from spin doctor Ari Fleischer, the BCS’ p.r. king, to keep the kids away from the adult table. That’s assuming that Fleischer knew enough about the system to suggest a Boise-TCU game. (Nothing personal, Ari. Ninety-nine percent of the country doesn’t get the BCS.)

The point being, that such a game would reduce the yelp from critics to almost zero.

 The four BCS bowl directors “colluded” to dump TCU and Boise in the desert. That keeps the embarrassment factor for all the BCS bowls to a minimum.

 With Cincinnati, Boise and TCU in separate bowls, the possibility exists of three unsettling upsets by non-traditional programs. Now the number is down to one, if Cincy beats Florida in the Sugar Bowl.

I don’t give the BCS bowl honchos that much credit. They’re in this for the individual gain of their bowls. If they’re in the business of helping other bowls, this instance would be the first time ever.

On the other hand, the Fiesta wasn’t exactly crowing (privately, that is) about having to take Utah in 2004 and Boise in 2006. Suddenly, a school with 40,000 living alumni (TCU) and one from the Idaho hinterlands (Boise) are appointment television?

Something doesn’t fit here.

Final verdict: We’ll have to take the Fiesta at its word. At the end of the day, it’s trying to get as many people in the Valley of the Sun for as long as possible to spend a lot of money.

As a fan, the alternatives – Iowa-Boise, Iowa-TCU – don’t do much for me. We already know that Boise and TCU are probably better than Iowa.

Now if one of those schools were matched up against Florida in the Sugar Bowl?

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Since: Dec 7, 2009
Posted on: December 7, 2009 4:51 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

Iowa would hammer either TCU or Boise State.  A playoff is the only solution.

Since: Jan 9, 2007
Posted on: December 7, 2009 4:50 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

Seriously, an ACC fan making fun of the big 10?  This isn't basketball. (opps, we won the B10/ ACC Challenge)  Anyway.  What is the ACC's record in BCS Bowls??  Can you also tell me how the two teams that met for your conference championship fared against 7-5 SEC teams??  While your at it can you tell me why GT is only a 3.5 point favorite against this Iowa team that has so many teams that are better??

Iowa will beat Ga Tech
and the Wiscy O-line will B*tch slap your boys around  in the Champs Sports bowl.


Since: Jul 8, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2009 4:50 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

The answer is very simple.  Iowa's fans travel to bowl games in droves!  Iowa will easily sell their school allotment of tickets and many more to any bowl game they go to and will provide the host with a positive economic outcome, which as we all know is their main goal.

Since: Nov 27, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2009 4:50 pm

This BCS Bowl Season is a Clunker

I agree with Dodd that a rematch between TCU and Boise is the worst possible scenario for the all three of the non-granddaddy-of-them all BCS Bowls.  I would much rather see TCU playing the Gators in the Sugar Bowl, there would be so much speed on the field at all times it would make fora very entertaining game. 

Cincy has put together a great run, but the only reason they are still undefeated is that "The Stache" from Pitt can't coach his way out of a paper bag.  Urban Meyer, provided he does not become mysteriously dehydrated, will not let a 14-21 point lead slip away (and believe me the Gators will be winning by at least that much before half-time).

Ga-Tech vs. Iowa......yawn, wake me up once Dwyer hits 200+ yards rucsing and Tech rolls the Hawkeyes worse than the Tide smacked UF.   

Somehow the Rose Bowl lucked out and gets the two best bowl games of the season, unlike years past when the bowl site hosting the BCS championship gets the low hanging fruit (see Cincy vs. VaTech last year and the 45,000+ empty seats at the Orange Bowl).

The one positive is that the BCS selections this year will only add fuel to the fire to get the a playoff system in place sooner rather than later.

Since: Nov 26, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2009 4:48 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

The folks in the desert are geniuses compared to the idiots in Miami that selected Iowa. A Georgia Tech-Iowa Orange Bowl? Who will watch that? Boise state will travel, and I believe that the Fiesta will be one one of the better TV bowls. The Sugar execututives got stuck (!) with an undefeated Cincinnati. I am sure that they will cry all the way to the bank. Please explain what the Orange Bowl suits were thinking, if they were thinking.

Since: Dec 5, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2009 4:47 pm

Thanks Dodd

And WE already knew YOU are an idiot.  By the way Dodd, remember preseason... when you wrote off the Hawkeyes and didn't even list them in your preseason ultra accurate top twenty five?  I guess finally you gave us some credit after we wrote you probably hundreds of e-mails complaining of your obvious black and gold hatred.  What was it you said?  Something along the lines of losing Shonn Greene and some other clueless statement.  Well... we lost Shonn Greene AND Jewel Hampton AND we are still in the BCS.  I guess Hawkeye fans just know more about college football then you.

Since: Nov 17, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2009 4:46 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

this matchup should not be a bowl, but a conference championship game for a 7th BCS conference - a refined Mountain West with some pieces of the WAC (Boise St, Fresno St, Nevada) and some CUSA (Houston, Memphis)....if the Pac-10 and Big-10 ever get out of line again, a new BCS conference is not out of the question as a bargaining chip.

Since: Jul 8, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2009 4:46 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

Your final verdict doesn't make any sense!  If the Fiesta Bowl was trying to get the most people in the Valley of the Sun for as long as possible to spend a lot of money, they would most certainly have chosen Iowa to fill one of their spots.  In the article you so much as say that neither TCU (with a living alumni of 40,000) or Boise travel well to bowls.  Iowa alone would bring 40,000 people to Arizona for the bowl.  You certainly didn't do anything to make me think this wasn't a conspiracy to keep Boise and TCU from playing major conference schools with your argument. 

Since: Mar 19, 2007
Posted on: December 7, 2009 4:45 pm


Why is Iowa in a BCS bowl anyway? I know they "met" the qualifications, but come on - the Big-10 SUCKS!! There are many, many teams better than Iowa, who were only ranked so high by virtue of playing in the Creampuff-10 (and barely winning many of those games). That bid should have gone to another team.

Since: Jun 30, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2009 4:44 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

We already know that Boise and TCU are probably better than Iowa.Really?  How do we know this?  Who has either of these teams beaten?  Iowa has won at Penn State, at Wisconsin, at Michigan State, and almost at Ohio State with a freshman starting at QB.  Iowa was plagued with injuries all year.  When a team is 9-0 with their 4th string RB, backup saftey, and many other, I would really think they are much better then TCU or Boise State who have beaten virtually no one.  Boise State has the best offense or whatever, but Iowa's defense would shut them down. 

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