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The Fiesta Bowl situation

Posted on: December 7, 2009 3:07 pm
Edited on: December 7, 2009 4:43 pm

I want to believe the Fiesta Bowl is breaking new ground with matching TCU and Boise against each other. It has more than a 35-year history of thinking out of the box.

Remember Miami-Penn State in 1987? That was a Fiesta-arranged meeting between No. 1 and No. 2. Right or wrong, Louisville filled a void in 1991 when the Martin Luther King holiday controversy raged.

So what are we supposed to make of TCU-Boise State? The bowl says the game is a ratings winner for TV. The stats say that last year’s Poinsettia Bowl between the same two teams was the 15th highest rated bowl.

The bowl says it’s a chance to match up a couple of unbeaten non-BCS teams. In that sense, Orrin Hatch, the schools, the Mountain West and Congress can’t complain. The alternative was playing a two-loss team from a major conference.

That’s what TCU and Boise probably wanted but neither school can complain either. They are playing the highest ranked team available -- except that they aren’t. The ideal matchup would be TCU vs. Cincinnati. But as executive director John Junker explained Cincinnati is like a long-distance girlfriend, not very geographically desirable.

OK, so this isn’t the best matchup. It isn’t particularly a TV ratings winner either, although TCU-Cincinnati would be worse.

Here’s a working theory based on nothing but conjecture …

 There was some low-level pressure from spin doctor Ari Fleischer, the BCS’ p.r. king, to keep the kids away from the adult table. That’s assuming that Fleischer knew enough about the system to suggest a Boise-TCU game. (Nothing personal, Ari. Ninety-nine percent of the country doesn’t get the BCS.)

The point being, that such a game would reduce the yelp from critics to almost zero.

 The four BCS bowl directors “colluded” to dump TCU and Boise in the desert. That keeps the embarrassment factor for all the BCS bowls to a minimum.

 With Cincinnati, Boise and TCU in separate bowls, the possibility exists of three unsettling upsets by non-traditional programs. Now the number is down to one, if Cincy beats Florida in the Sugar Bowl.

I don’t give the BCS bowl honchos that much credit. They’re in this for the individual gain of their bowls. If they’re in the business of helping other bowls, this instance would be the first time ever.

On the other hand, the Fiesta wasn’t exactly crowing (privately, that is) about having to take Utah in 2004 and Boise in 2006. Suddenly, a school with 40,000 living alumni (TCU) and one from the Idaho hinterlands (Boise) are appointment television?

Something doesn’t fit here.

Final verdict: We’ll have to take the Fiesta at its word. At the end of the day, it’s trying to get as many people in the Valley of the Sun for as long as possible to spend a lot of money.

As a fan, the alternatives – Iowa-Boise, Iowa-TCU – don’t do much for me. We already know that Boise and TCU are probably better than Iowa.

Now if one of those schools were matched up against Florida in the Sugar Bowl?

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Since: Feb 13, 2008
Posted on: December 8, 2009 4:45 am

The Fiesta Bowl situation

There are so many tired arguments on here by the Big-6 apologists....

Tired Argument #1-  Why don't the TCU's and BSU's of the FBS-world just join one of the power conferences so they can play a "real" schedule?  Really?  I didn't realize it was that simple....  are they taking applications?  Tell me that BSU, TCU, BYU, Utah don't want to play in the PAC-10 or BIG-12 and I'll show you a pink unicorn.  Of course they would rather play in a bigger conference-  there is more money in the Big-6 conferences.

Tired Argument #2-  TCU/BSU would finish at 6-6 in one of the power conferences because of the week in- week out "grind" of the schedule.  You're kidding...  right?  You do realize that the bottom feeders in your conference would be the bottom feeders in the MWC too, right?  I'll agree that the WAC might not be at quite the same level as a whole, but I still can't see a WSU, Baylor, Vandy, Virginia, Indiana faring much better than they do in their "power" conferences.  You also realize that teams like BSU, TCU and Utah tend to schedule Big-6 schools OOC while Big-6 schools tend to schedule high school teams OOC?  That's not a "rule" mind you....  but it isn't hard to see the trend.  And the trend sure changes that "grind" that you so often like to refer to.

Tired Argument #3-  Schools like TCU, Utah, BSU and BYU "complain" about not playing a tougher schedule.  Ummm....  no they don't.  Their fans complain.  You can occasionally find a quote from an AD or head coach about how they tried to schedule this team or that team and it didn't work out.  But you most certainly are not seeing these universities crying the way that so many of you make it out to be the same way that you aren't seeing AD's from Big-6 schools saying that they won't schedule a TCU or Utah because they are afraid of losing the way that "mid-major" fans like to portray it. 

And to the guy on here that referred to BYU as a "warm-weather" school as the reason they don't travel well...  you, sir, should look at a map before you speak.

Since: Feb 10, 2009
Posted on: December 8, 2009 3:42 am

The Fiesta Bowl situation

Iowa barely beat Division 2 Northern Iowa. Is this Iowa team really only slightly better than a Division 2 team? That's not very impressive. Boise State beat Oregon who will probably beat Ohio State (USC always does) in the Rose Bowl. TCU beat Clemson who almost wound up in the BCS bowl instead of Georgia Tech.

Since: Nov 22, 2006
Posted on: December 8, 2009 3:25 am

The Fiesta Bowl situation

Unbelievable...the BCS is scared to death of having TCU and BSU demolish BCS teams...period...end of story...or is it?

If Texas and Cinci lose and TCU beats BSU (particualarly if lopsided), who could argue that the BCS wasn't protecting it's vested big-boy interests.

I think, both BSU and TCU's top offenses/defenses in the nation could have whipped up on anyone in the nation...including Alabama.
Unfortunately, we'll never know...the BCS made sure of it.

Since: Aug 16, 2009
Posted on: December 8, 2009 2:37 am

The Fiesta Bowl situation

Great retort, vikes.  I basically puked when I saw TCU v. bsu.   Can bsu beat penn st?  How about TCU v. Florida?  Cinci v. Ohio st and send Iowa to the rose bowl.   Nothing is resolved if the non-bcs teams aren't playing bcs teams.   EVERYONE would be watching the david versus goliath games in hopes of seeing another upset.   Something smells here.....

Since: Dec 8, 2009
Posted on: December 8, 2009 1:25 am

The Fiesta Bowl situation

Who has Boise State beaten?  I would say # 7 Oregon.

Since: Sep 17, 2006
Posted on: December 8, 2009 1:12 am

The Fiesta Bowl situation

I haven't read through this entire thread, but what a cowardly choice by the BCS to pit the two non-BCS conference teams against each other! Whose fault is this? The Sugar Bowl? BCS collusion? It should be Florida-TCU in the Sugar Bowl (what an awesome game that would've been) and Cincinnati-Boise in the Fiesta Bowl. There are two fine non-BCS conference teams this year and they are playing each other! What a crock! Guess the BCS Club is feeling pretty good since no one in the club can lose to a non-BCS conference team in a BCS bowl. There's no way TCU and Boise should be playing each other. TCU/Boise vs Georgia Tech OK. TCU/Boise vs Iowa OK. TCU/Boise vs Penn State/Virginia Tech/LSU fine. But TCU vs Boise??!!! Ridiculous.

Since: Jul 5, 2009
Posted on: December 8, 2009 12:44 am

The Fiesta Bowl situation

Sep 5Sep 12Sep 19Sep 26Oct 3Oct 10Oct 17Oct 24Oct 31Nov 7Nov 14Nov 21
So Iowa beat a 1AA team AT HOME by blocking 2 kicks back to back (something thats never been done in history)
They stomped Iowa State (congrats they suck)
They beat Arizona at home by 10 (okay that's a pretty solid victory regardless of AZ record, they lost alot of close games)
They beat Penn State @ PSU by 11 (PSU is overrated, who did they beat to deserve their ranking?)
They beat a team that finished 4-8 and 6th in the Sunbelt by 3 points (lol)
Michigan AT HOME by 2 (They finished 1-7 in the big ten)
Beat Wisc @ Wisc (this is a marginal victory, WI lost to Northwestern, got stomped by OSU, and barely beat Northern Illinois, Fresno State, Minnesota, Michigan State, and Indiana *all wins of 8 points or less)
Needed the last play of the game to beat Michigan State who finished 6-6
Needed one of the most miraculous 4th quarter comebacks to beat the Powerhouse known as Indiana (1-7 in B10)
Lost to Northwestern  AT HOME
Lost to OSU
Beat Minnesota by 12 (I am a MN fan and we are a terrible team)

So, you won 4 games by a FG or less against garbage teams. So you could easily 6-6. How can you take that record, those scores and against that competition and say you are better than TCU or Boise who haven't lost? To be honest, Iowa is just a product of a bad big 10 and some extremely lucky breaks. Good teams play at a consistent level and don't play down to their competition. Everyone gets injuries every year; so that is not an excuse.

TCU won EVERY game with an average margin of victory of 25 points.
Boise won EVERY game with an average margin of victory of almost 26 points.

If you really want me to I can compare the records of all their opponents too. I really hate Iowa and their fans that much and have absolutely no respect for what they did this season because of how they did it. Like I said, I'm a Minnesota fan but I am so incredibly sick of how much the Big 10 gets by based on prestige and their old reputation.

Since: Oct 31, 2008
Posted on: December 8, 2009 12:36 am

The Fiesta Bowl situation

To have to play each other is self-defeating...literally. Exactly, bestofthewest.  What does TCU really gain if it defeats Boise State, or vice-versa? The "knock" will still remain that they didn't beat a BCS conference team in a BCS bowl. What a farce. So cheap and patronizing of the BCS officials. It's like the older cousins and uncles at a family reunion/party humoring the younger kid who wants to join in their pick-up game. 

"Wow, you sure have a lot of fight in you, heh, heh. What did you say you were, a horned frog?" says the BCS suit, "Let's put you and your brother over here in the Fiesta bowl. Now, don't be too loud, ya hear?"

Since: Nov 4, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2009 11:48 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

You spend too much time playing with your BCS and touching your TCU

Since: Nov 4, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2009 11:43 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

Don't bet on it....Iowa 35..GT 17. Remember they are healthy now

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