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The Fiesta Bowl situation

Posted on: December 7, 2009 3:07 pm
Edited on: December 7, 2009 4:43 pm

I want to believe the Fiesta Bowl is breaking new ground with matching TCU and Boise against each other. It has more than a 35-year history of thinking out of the box.

Remember Miami-Penn State in 1987? That was a Fiesta-arranged meeting between No. 1 and No. 2. Right or wrong, Louisville filled a void in 1991 when the Martin Luther King holiday controversy raged.

So what are we supposed to make of TCU-Boise State? The bowl says the game is a ratings winner for TV. The stats say that last year’s Poinsettia Bowl between the same two teams was the 15th highest rated bowl.

The bowl says it’s a chance to match up a couple of unbeaten non-BCS teams. In that sense, Orrin Hatch, the schools, the Mountain West and Congress can’t complain. The alternative was playing a two-loss team from a major conference.

That’s what TCU and Boise probably wanted but neither school can complain either. They are playing the highest ranked team available -- except that they aren’t. The ideal matchup would be TCU vs. Cincinnati. But as executive director John Junker explained Cincinnati is like a long-distance girlfriend, not very geographically desirable.

OK, so this isn’t the best matchup. It isn’t particularly a TV ratings winner either, although TCU-Cincinnati would be worse.

Here’s a working theory based on nothing but conjecture …

 There was some low-level pressure from spin doctor Ari Fleischer, the BCS’ p.r. king, to keep the kids away from the adult table. That’s assuming that Fleischer knew enough about the system to suggest a Boise-TCU game. (Nothing personal, Ari. Ninety-nine percent of the country doesn’t get the BCS.)

The point being, that such a game would reduce the yelp from critics to almost zero.

 The four BCS bowl directors “colluded” to dump TCU and Boise in the desert. That keeps the embarrassment factor for all the BCS bowls to a minimum.

 With Cincinnati, Boise and TCU in separate bowls, the possibility exists of three unsettling upsets by non-traditional programs. Now the number is down to one, if Cincy beats Florida in the Sugar Bowl.

I don’t give the BCS bowl honchos that much credit. They’re in this for the individual gain of their bowls. If they’re in the business of helping other bowls, this instance would be the first time ever.

On the other hand, the Fiesta wasn’t exactly crowing (privately, that is) about having to take Utah in 2004 and Boise in 2006. Suddenly, a school with 40,000 living alumni (TCU) and one from the Idaho hinterlands (Boise) are appointment television?

Something doesn’t fit here.

Final verdict: We’ll have to take the Fiesta at its word. At the end of the day, it’s trying to get as many people in the Valley of the Sun for as long as possible to spend a lot of money.

As a fan, the alternatives – Iowa-Boise, Iowa-TCU – don’t do much for me. We already know that Boise and TCU are probably better than Iowa.

Now if one of those schools were matched up against Florida in the Sugar Bowl?

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Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2009 9:31 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

Good call Iowafan I don't know how I left them out let me re-write it with 12 teams (haha I spent about 25 minutes doing a 10 team playoff until I was stupid enough to realize you end up with 3 teams after 2 rounds, I gave Texas and Alabama byes for the 1st round and it just didn't add up).

#1 Alabama vs #12 Virginia Tech (Rematch)
#2 Texas vs #11 Penn St
#3 TCU vs # 10 Iowa
#4 Florida vs #9 Georgia Tech
#5 Cincinatti vs #8 Ohio State (Still a sweet game. Bragging rights for Ohio)
#6 Boise St vs #7 Oregon (rematch)

I don't feel like doing the rest so someone else can play it out if they would like. And I also said in my other post (I think) that they would then play a round-robin tournament but that would be wrong and I didn't mean it if I said it. I am doing Calculus HW and posting at the same time and it is very frustrating so I may have said that without realizing it.


Since: Jan 11, 2007
Posted on: December 7, 2009 9:31 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

Personally, I think the Bowl system is seriously flawed and these two teams are/ and unfortunately part of it.  There wouldn't be any discussion if there was a playoff system.  I know that isn't the case so lets talk about the current Bowl system.

The only thing unfortunately that matters to the BCS is #1 vs. #2.  Everyone else is just small potatoes.  The Bowl committee then goes for whether or not your school travels and can fill the stadium.  They don't care about matchups, but only dollars.

So, not only is the system majorally flawed from not having a playoff, but they don't even put the best matchup for us fans to watch. 

I will be watching this game though, only because of the underdog situation that both present.

As far as competition and anyone who questions who either team has played is not very educated.  Both teams have played stiff competition from major conferences and have come out winners.  Oregon is ranked right after the unbeatens and they lost to Boise St. 

We as a country should put an end to this and stop watching this horrific system that is all about money!!!

Since: Oct 8, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2009 9:25 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

The big question is why is Texas in Nat'l Championship??? Who have they beaten??  A horrible 5 loss Oklahoma, gave up 40 to A&M another horrible team, or Ok State who lost to Houston, and a once again horrible Oklahoma team.. And barely could score a point on Nebraska, who if they had even a resemblance of an offense would of beat them. BCS is a joke.

Since: Apr 12, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2009 9:24 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

PSU is beyond overated. Wisky is OK at best and MSU is downright a joke esp considering IOWA 'almost lost' to them.

IOWA vs anyone equals changing the channel.

Since: Apr 1, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2009 9:07 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

I like the matchup for two reasons.  First, it allows for two great bowl games in the Sugar Bowl and Fiesta Bowl without splitting G Tech and Iowa to cause two undesirable matchups.  Secondly, it allows the ACC and Big 10 to defend their honor since they are perceived to be the two weakest conferences this year.  I think it will be a good game, better that you think.

Lastly, I believe this was not the choice of the Orange Bowl.  I'm sure this was negotiated with the other bowls to make the 3 best matchups as a whole package.  Right?

Since: Apr 1, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2009 9:03 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

I like your idea.  I would like to see the WAC and MWC champ play for an automatic BCS spot.  I'm sure each year, you would get a reputable representative.

Since: Oct 24, 2009
Posted on: December 7, 2009 9:02 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

Canes - Kurt W played for Northern Iowa, not Iowa.

Since: Apr 1, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2009 9:01 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

I think Iowa was chosen primarily becuz of the way they travel and becuz they were the best of the eligible "2 loss" teams, assuming 3-loss teams would not be considered.  But I truly believe, there really aren't better teams out there, are they?  I mean LSU is, but they are bound by the two-from-each-conference rule. 

Iowa will represent themselves well in the bowl game, provided there QB is healthy.  I will say that they played poorly when their second-stringer was in there, but Iowa and Penn State were the logical choices, given the circumstance that USC imploded, and Pitt lost it's last two games.  Had Texas lost or Pitt won their game at Cincy, then obviously Iowa would be out.

Do you really think the Big 10 is really that bad......or is it just that the bottom half of the Big 10 sucks out loud and in 5 different languages.  OSU, PSU, Wisconsin, and Iowa will not embarrass themselves in their bowls, they will be competitive with their opponents.  If not, I promise to come correct to YOU after.

I am curious who you had in mind for that spot and why.  Was it Okla St?  Pitt?  Oregon State?  Virginia Tech?  BYU?  

Since: Oct 24, 2009
Posted on: December 7, 2009 9:00 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

Broncoforlife - Where is Florida in your tournament?  They will kill Cincy.  Iowa will have trouble with the option, but will find a way to win, the best teams always do.  Iowa was beating NW 10-0 before losing their starting QB and throwing in a true freshman with zero 1st team practice.  In one week, iowa prepared this true freshman for the Shoe and OSU.  Iowa had that game, but failed to gamble with one minute in regulation...that wasn't good for Iowa since you're supposed to go for the win on the road an dplay for OT at home.  Iowa beat Penn St. last year when they were undefeated and ranked 3rd.

Have any of you Iowa haters looked at their bowl record vs the SEC, the ridiculously exalted "best conference"?  Iowa beat Florida, LSU, lost on a terrible referee call against Florida, and beat South Carolina....3-1.  Yep, the SEC is real tough, keep thinking that and you'll keep looking past a solid Iowa team.  The problem with Iowa is they're not flashy, so nobody gives them credit.  I'm confident Iowa would be happy to play anyone in the nation including Alabama.

Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2009 8:55 pm

The Fiesta Bowl situation

Well, Boise did beat the Pac-10-'s representative in the BCS, that has to count for something.  And TCU played a pretty good nonconfrence schedule and pummeled just about everyone, including shutting down the nation's best RB (Spiller) when they played at clemson.  So, although I would not go so far as to say that they are both better than Iowa, I woldn't go the other way either.  Iowa won some fluky games against inferior opponents.  17-16 against Northern Iowa?  Maybe if Kurt Warner was still playing QB there.

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