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Turner Gill at Kansas

Posted on: December 12, 2009 7:09 pm
Edited on: December 12, 2009 7:19 pm
 
I've confirmed that Buffalo's Turner Gill has taken the Kansas job.

Gill is 20-30 in four seasons in Buffalo, where he won the MAC title in 2008. The former Nebraska star moves from a fledgling Division I-A program to one that won the Orange Bowl in 2007. Gill would replace Mark Mangino who resigned after eight seasons amid allegations of mistreatment of his players.

Apparently Jim Harbaugh was just a dalliance at best. A Kansas City television station erroneously reported on Friday that the Stanford coach had been offered a contract.
Category: NCAAF
Tags: Buffalo, Kansas
 
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Since: Aug 28, 2006
Posted on: December 14, 2009 11:41 pm
 

Turner Gill at Kansas

Makes a crucial point when he compares KS to Buffalo:

 " I get it, trust me.  Buffalo nationally has recruting issues.  But you can't tell me that if you're a Big 12 level player, Kansas is likely your first choice either " .
 Poetic, dude!!!

If you are a BIG 12 caliber athlete, meaning you were most likely a high school stud somewhere in Texas ( 2/3 of BIG 12 players ), you are not looking to waste your college years at Kansas.

The only way someone like that goes to Kansas is if they are passed over by:

 Texas, OU, TT, aTm, Ok St, Baylor, Houston, Nebraska, Florida, LSU, USC, ND, Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St, Iowa St, Missou, Colorado, UCLA, CAL, Arizona, Boise St, Utah, Utah St, Cincy, FLA St,  Boston College, WVU, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Georgia, Auburn, Ole Miss, South Fla, TN, South Carolina, Rutgers, etc.

This list is only about 90 schools long of the roughly 130 Division 1 schools, 91 out of 120, not so great when you think of it.

Kansas is a basketball school, that's all they are, but they do that very well.



Since: Aug 28, 2006
Posted on: December 14, 2009 11:12 pm
 

Turner Gill at Kansas

I understand the MAC, or any other conference in football is not quite what the BIG 12 is, with the possible exception of the SEC, a close second.

But I have been to Buffalo, and Kansas, and would chose to live in Buffalo 6 months of the year, kansas 2 months of the year, and somewhere warmer 4 months of the year.

Would Mack Brown be able to recruit above average talent to Buffalo, as you question?  We will never know. Since taking his first job at Appalachian State he has never had to stoop that low, not likely he ever will. I feel sorry for Buffalo, they are not likely to lure in a coach as good as Turner Gill anytime soon.

Congrats on that new airport, do you have to walk from the airplane to the terminal to get inside?

For Gill this is nothing but a stepping stone.



Since: Apr 9, 2008
Posted on: December 13, 2009 12:42 pm
 

Turner Gill at Kansas

If a Blue Chipper went to buffalo would he be a "Buffalo Chip"




Since: Oct 6, 2006
Posted on: December 13, 2009 11:42 am
 

Turner Gill at Kansas

My point is that his recruiting problems in Kansas aren't going to be much better than they were in Buffalo; Kansas is by and large the Buffalo of the Big 12, so taking cheap shots makes no sense.

Actually in the MAC, Buffalo is an attractive place.  It's an excellent school with an international reputation, newer facilities, and a big-league city image and amenities compared to its conference brethren.

I get it, trust me.  Buffalo nationally has recruting issues.  But you can't tell me that if you're a Big 12 level player, Kansas is likely your first choice either.



Since: Oct 6, 2006
Posted on: December 13, 2009 11:37 am
 

Turner Gill at Kansas

What it speaks to, and I will use small words so that the rookie can understand, is that there is some local talent TO RECRUIT for college.

When you win four state titles two years in a row, and have a Division I team in your own backyard that is now getting into bowls and regularly televised on ESPN2, then that helps build the team for the future.

Two years in a row means in 2008 AND in 2009.  That is two years in a row.

Which is different from twice in the same year, which I did not say.

And it has to do with Gill being happy in Buffalo; he went to Kansas because he worked in Nebraska for so long and his daughter is at Kansas. 

Please back away from the keyboard and go back to the coloring book, before Mom sends you to your room.



Since: Dec 2, 2007
Posted on: December 13, 2009 11:30 am
 

Turner Gill at Kansas

Section Six in New York State, where Buffalo is located, has won four state high school football championships two years in a row.
Unless I missed it, I don't think anybody criticized the talent pool in the Buffalo area.  This would only mean something if all of the local blue-chippers went to Buffalo.  They don't.  Some do, but most don't.  If they did, Buffalo wouldn't be under 500 the majority of the time.

Gill signed a contract extension before this season.  The only reason he left was because the perfect situation came up for him-- he knows the conference, and his daughter works at Kansas.  Other than that, he was very happy here.
He was so happy that the world went bonkers that he didn't get the Auburn job.

The MAC has produced a lot of fine coaches and definitely some great quarterbacks-- Leftwich, Pennington, Roethlisberger, those names mean anything to anyone? Every mid-major conference has players in the NFL...so what?  Does this mean that the MAC is a better conference and attracts more overall talent than the Big 12?  Of course not.


Potshots at Buffalo are not necessary...the reality of the situation is that Buffalo is a tough place to recruit and the MAC is a mid-major.  Gill will have better recruits at KU, but the competition is significantly higher, and if Gill couldn't do better than 20-30 at Buffalo, it probably won't be much better at KU.



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Since: Nov 12, 2009
Posted on: December 13, 2009 11:28 am
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Since: Nov 12, 2009
Posted on: December 13, 2009 11:24 am
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Since: Aug 25, 2006
Posted on: December 13, 2009 11:14 am
 

Turner Gill at Kansas

This is a bad hire, this guy was below 500 at Buffalo, 20-30 come on where do people see that this was a good hire. He will not have success at a bigger school. He will fail



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