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More expansion: A proposed new look

Posted on: February 10, 2010 10:30 pm
Edited on: February 11, 2010 2:02 pm

The Mountain West is on notice.

The Big East too.

Don’t forget the Big 12 which could be ripped asunder.

One or all of those conferences are going to be impacted if, as expected, the Pac-10 and Big Ten expand in the near future.

After writing about the big picture on Wednesday, we’re here to speculate freely about how other conferences might be impacted.

Mountain West: After leading his league to the brink of BCS automatic qualifying status, commissioner Craig Thompson has to be concerned.

A BYU-Utah defection to the Pac-10 makes a lot of sense. In basketball, the league has travel partners (Washington-Washington State, Arizona-Arizona State). The Utes and Cougars are bitter rivals but would be make ideal additions due to the far-flung nature of the league.

I still don’t know how the Pac-10 views the academic aspect of expansion, so I’m not sure how it views the combination of a state school (Utah) and what amounts to a private school (BYU). If there is a fallback, it could be San Diego State.

If the Big Ten were to take Missouri, that’s a potential three teams ripped from the Mountain West and could mean the end of the league.  The three most likely replacements would be Boise State, Fresno State and Texas-El Paso.

The best non-BCS league could find itself teetering on the edge of existence, or at least relevance.

Big 12: The biggest hit comes if both Colorado (Pac-10) and Missouri (Big Ten) leave.

If Missouri or Colorado leave, the Big 12 would go get TCU from the Mountain West. While that would wound the MWC, the league would most likely then invite Boise State.

If both Colorado and Missouri left, the Big 12 would get TCU and, maybe, Houston? Either way, the Big 12’s TV stature would shrink.

Big East: The league was almost wiped out when the ACC expanded five years ago. What happens if Pittsburgh, Syracuse or Rutgers is taken by the Big Ten?

Most likely the Big East would raid Conference USA for Central Florida. That would get the league further into Florida. UCF is third-largest school in the country (53,000) behind Ohio State and Arizona State. There's got to be some football players in there somewhere. Plus, the school has made a huge commitment to facilities.

Sooner or later doesn’t Big East football and basketball have to split? The unwieldy existence between the two sides (16 teams in basketball, only eight of which play football).

After the wounds caused by the ACC, another hit could cause the end of the Big East in football.

My latest look on how the Big Ten, Pac-10, Big 12 and MWC might look in the future.

Schembechler Division

Michigan State

Grange Division
Ohio State
Penn State

BIG 12
North Division
Kansas State
Iowa State

South Division
Texas Tech
Texas A&M
Oklahoma State


North Division
Oregon State
Washington State

South Division
Arizona State

Fresno State
Boise State
Texas-El Paso
Air Force
San Diego State
New Mexico
Colorado State




Since: Sep 2, 2006
Posted on: February 12, 2010 4:48 pm

More expansion: A proposed new look

Totally agrree with you. There is no way you are going to break up Wisconsin, Iowa and Minnesota. You can tell he was trying to break up Michigan and Ohio State. Sorry, but there are other rivalries in the Big 10

Since: Jun 28, 2007
Posted on: February 12, 2010 4:15 pm

More expansion: A proposed new look

Why would the Pac-10 want Boise? This is about $$$, and Boise is in a no-value media market.  And, if the Pac-10 did add Boise, USC wouldn't play there every two years b/c USC would be in the Pac-10 South and Boise would almost certainly be in the Pac-10 North.

Since: Dec 1, 2007
Posted on: February 12, 2010 3:01 pm

More expansion: A proposed new look

I think it makes the most sense for Boise St and Utah to join the Pac 10. It gives you a qualified team from the North and one from the South. And both have won BCS bowls, BYU has not consistently performed at that level and not as deserving.

Besides the fact I'd love to see USC have to play in Boise every 2 years and much like the state of Oregon(UO & Or st), the state of Idaho would also dominate over the "mighty" trojans.

Living in the Pac NW I look forward to the Pac 10 expansion it will level the playing field with a Conference championship and the days of USC owning the title without a fight are over.

Since: Dec 1, 2007
Posted on: February 12, 2010 2:51 pm

More expansion: A proposed new look

"Give me a break.  Oklahoma winning their bowl games.  They have only won 1 bowl game in the ten years it seems like."

Hey Buckeye You don't really have a team that can talk too much smack

How many bowl games has Ohio State won in ten years? Five a .500 record? I guess that is impressive in a conference that is at best questionable in the bowl season. 

ps... Oklahoma has 5 wins in bowl games in the last decade and of the 5 losses, 3 were National Championship games the other 2 were BCS games. What's it like losing the Outback bowl 2 years in a row?

How many national championships has Ohio State won since 1971? ONE! Oklahoma has 4!

Conference Chamionships?? Ohio State has 6 of 10, Oklahoma has 7 of 10

You should check your facts before you open your Buckeye!

Boomer Sooner!

Since: Jun 28, 2007
Posted on: February 12, 2010 1:46 pm

More expansion: A proposed new look

Why wouldn't Cal & Stanford be in the Pac-10 South (like baseball until 1999) and Utah and BYU (which are far North of the Bay Area) be in the Pac-10 North?

Since: Nov 17, 2006
Posted on: February 12, 2010 10:22 am

More expansion: A proposed new look

I think there are enough ex-Californians in Idaho to make Boise State viable, both fan-wise and money wise. If not I think that the MWC should add Boise St, Fresno St and a 12th team (Nevada, Hawaii) and make its case to be a BCS conference (could replace the Big East if the Big Ten adds a current Big East team), especially if the Rose Bowl types start raising opposition to a Pac-10 expansion.

Since: Nov 17, 2006
Posted on: February 12, 2010 10:19 am

More expansion: A proposed new look

That drunk heathen Ann Richards was a Baylor alum?   Strange....

Since: Oct 24, 2007
Posted on: February 12, 2010 7:48 am

More expansion: A proposed new look

I heard it was the govenor of Texas that put her foot down, and it was originially TCU over BYU that got kept out.  The govenor essentially said they would cut funding from the University of Texas if Baylor wasn't allowed in the Big XII.  Why Baylor?  The govenor was an alum of Baylor...

Since: Feb 12, 2010
Posted on: February 12, 2010 12:49 am

More expansion: A proposed new look

The easy, safe and best choice is Mizzou for multiple reasons.  MU meets all the stated requirements for a new member.
MU increases market area by gaining StL and KC markets.  Plus Missouri has 6.5 million people and only one D1 football team.  Not to mention MU has some of the best facilities in the nation with a stadium that holds 71K.  MU has good academics and is a member of the AAU.  MU was ranked top 15 public schools academically per Forbes and has more research money than Indiana U and a higher endowment than Iowa.  So it wouldn't rate last in the Big 10 on two major categories.  You bring in a big state school name with tradition.  Both the bball team and football team are competitive and both have been good as of late.  We fit geographically and already have a budding rivalry with Illinois who we destroyed in both bball and football this year.  Plus we think Iowa is full of hicks and has no culture or real cities.  They can be our new Kansas.  Just trying to stir the pot.   We have one of the best if not the best journalism school in the country and one of the only schools in the country with a law school, vet school, engineering school, nuc reactor and med school on the same campus.  And best of all MU would love to be in the Big 10.  Not that the Big 12 is bad, but overall MU would benefit across the board.  MU is in a good position.  Either conference will work, the Big 10 is just a better fit.  Plus MU alum incldue Brad Pitt, Sheryll Crow, John Hamm, George C. Scott, Kate Capshaw, Tom Beringer, Chris Cooper, Sam Walton, Edward Jones, the Governor of Oregon and Virginia (total random but true), Tennessee Williams, Mort Walker and name a famous journalist, i.e. Dennis Dodd.  For crying out loud the guy who wrote this article is a Mizzou grad.  We are everywhere.  The list goes on and on.  That sounds like a winner to me Big 10 country.

Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: February 11, 2010 10:10 pm

More expansion: A proposed new look

Schembechler and Grange?  wow, surely those would not be the names of the divisions of the Big Ten any more than it would be Knight and Keady in basketball...

I also love how the Big Ten is always called a midwest conference...take a look at the map...Pennsylvania is not part of the midwest and it could be argued that Ohio is not really midwest either...well maybe back in the 1800's it was, but not today...although who cares about this argument other than a few of us who like to argue it.

In any case, Big Ten will only look at a team that fits academically and athletically.  Have to be a research school, have to meet certain standards.  Key with Texas is that they have a good academic record for the most part until it comes to their athletes.  They are horrid on the graduation rates there...I think someone is just getting things riled won't be Texas.

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