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The Arizona immigration law

Posted on: May 3, 2010 9:32 pm
Edited on: May 3, 2010 9:33 pm
 
No matter what you think of it, read this before forming a final opinion.

There is talk of an All-Star Game boycott. I'm sure at some point next season's national championship game (in Glendale, Ariz.) will come into play. I'll have a take on all this in a future column but wanted to pass this along.
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Since: Sep 19, 2006
Posted on: May 10, 2010 12:00 pm
 

The Arizona immigration law



This is why this law was passed.



Since: Sep 19, 2006
Posted on: May 10, 2010 11:46 am
 

The Arizona immigration law

All the Arizona legislators have to do is to keep stats that prove everyone has an equal chance of being stopped, make sure the same number and percentage of whites are stopped as Mexicans,daddygobucks you obviously don't know much about this new law.  Absolutly NOBODY can be stopped because of this law.  All this law allows police to do is ask for ID AFTER they have made a lawful stop for some other infraction.  I don't know about you but right now I get asked for ID when I get pulled over for speeding.

In the past if a cop stopped an illegal immigrant for speeding and it became apparent after the stop that they driver was an illegal immigrant, the only thing that the cop could do is give him a speeding ticket and send him on his way.  This law NOW allows the officer in the same situration to detain the illegal immigrant.  This law basically allows them to enforce the law.

And how in the heck can a lawmaker "make sure the same number and percentage of whites are stopped as Mexicans"?  No matter how well written a law is there is no way to ensure that similar percentages of ethnic groups are affected. 

That's what is disturbing about this law. It will divert more attention towards latinos and white criminals will get the easy ride
Holy cow seriously?  Did you really just type that...and you actually believe that?



There are lots of ways Arizona could have approached this without targeting one race over another.Nowhere in the law does it say latino, Mexican, hispanic or anything else identifying one race.  The Illegal Irish potatoe farmers will get the same treatment.  Unfortunately there aren't several million illegal irish potatoe farmers in Arizona.  You are obviously not informed about what this law really is or says.  That seems to be the issue with people that don't agree with this law.



  







Since: May 23, 2008
Posted on: May 10, 2010 10:01 am
 

The Arizona immigration law

Go Arizona!!!! I wish the rest of the country would follow suit and do something about the ILLEGAL immagrants.

Anyone see the the photos of the Montebello high School in California where the students flipped the American Flag upside down and put it below another nation's flag??

If you're doing things LEGALLY what are you hiding?? Typically its the ones that are doing ILLEGAL actions that complain.

Good for Arizona, help start America going back to when our country was founded on hard work where people couldn't just come and take away from everyone without doing anything to earn it!!

Tell me one country that allows ILLEGAL immagrants to go into their country and get handed everything on a silver platter, besides the USA.

SCREW YOU ILLEGALS!!!!



Since: Oct 10, 2006
Posted on: May 9, 2010 3:14 pm
 

The Arizona immigration law

Racial profiling exists. Innocent people will be victims of this law, based on their race even if it is just the inconvenience and stress of frequent police checks. . Responsible law makers find ways to target criminals that don't target innocent people based on their race. Arizona law makers are not being responsible, that's all you need to know. All the usual safe gaurds should apply. All the Arizona legislators have to do is to keep stats that prove everyone has an equal chance of being stopped, make sure the same number and percentage of whites are stopped as Mexicans, so everyone is in the same boat, declare in-admissable any other evidence from these stops, ie. as a police officer who see's something he believes to be drugs on the back seat can't make an arrest, because he had no probable cause for the original stop, things like that that. if the Arizon governemnt didn't want to be racist they would do to make sure there is no abuse of process. Of course, they didn't do any of that. That's why their actions are racist, not because of what they are doing per se. It's a fact, if there are more police stops of one race over another, there will be more convictions against that race. Not because a higher percentage is criminal, but because more of their criminal element is exposed to police checks. And criminals of that race will get pretty much a free pass. That's what is disturbing about this law. It will divert more attention towards latinos and white criminals will get the easy ride. 
There are lots of ways Arizona could have approached this without targeting one race over another. After all, passing laws that favour white criminals over black or hispanic ones is still racist. Something that seems to escape the consciousness of many Americans who would other wise think of themselves as something other than racists.



Since: Aug 18, 2008
Posted on: May 8, 2010 4:38 pm
 

The Arizona immigration law

Hey bucky!!!!  99.9999999999999% of illegals in Arizona are Mexican. Of course there will be "racial profiling" according to liberals because Mexicans will be the only ones stopped, because they are pretty much the only illegals. The bill is not about racial profiling, but about ENFORCING LAWS that already exist so they can help their budget out and clean up the state!!  And yes, a state has the right to do what it wants about immigration. Read the Constitution. Any power not specfically granted to the federal government is given to the states or the people themselves. Whats wrong with enforcing the law???  You are just too ignorant and lazy to really believe that there is as much racial profiling in this world as liberals and media say there is.  Racial profiling is not what it used to be by any means. I work with young black people alot. They have been trained by their own black leaders and the liberals to think that everything and everybody is against them. Anything little that goes on with them in school or so forth, they say is a matterof race. You tell them to be quiet in the classroom (yes I am a teacher), and they think your racist. Enforcing the law is not about race, but about enforcing the law!!! Are people in this country really that bad that you think they want to racially profile??  Really the answer to all this is that liberals stay in power by promising lots of stuff to people. When people start to see through them and that their policies won't work, they must win find another way of winning elections.  That is when they cheat (think ACORN) by encouraging voting more than once, dead people voting, and MAKING 10,000,000 ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS LEGAL SO THEY CAN VOTE!!!!!  That is the reason Barack Obama is against this bill. There go all his votes if this bill is enforced. He cares nothing about the law or the American people. If he did, he would stop spending so much money, quit bribing Congressman with "deals" for their districts and fight against ISLAMIC TERRORISTS (yes that is what they are) rather than treating them like they themselves were Americans!!  Think for yourself, and verify everything you hear. That is how I came to these conclusions. Not from some nut job. I THOUGHT FOR MYSELF!!!!!

Go BLUE!!!!!



Since: Aug 22, 2007
Posted on: May 8, 2010 9:11 am
 

The Arizona immigration law

Amen brother.....he can take his act to San Francisco with all the other burned out radicals of the 60s who've turned that state into Greece



Since: Aug 22, 2007
Posted on: May 8, 2010 9:08 am
 

The Arizona immigration law

If you are so opposed to this law, then move to San Francisco and stop whining like an uneducated idiot; your state is overrun with coyotes smuggling people, drugs, weapons, lawlessness, etc. and this is the FEDERAL LAW that has been passed.  Arizona thankfully has decided to start enforcing it and Twelve states - Arkansas, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New Jersey, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Texas and Utah - have introduced or are considering introducing similar legislation.

Just ONE RANCHER?  What if that was your mother , father or your child?  There are countless incidents prior to the murder of Robert Krentz, this was just the spark that lit the fuse.  Enough is enough.

It's time to wake up and start forcing people to legally immigrate to the USA and if caught banning them from ever entering again.   Hypocritical Mexico has a far stricter policy not to mention rampant corruption.  It is pathetic of any people or country to claim our problem is your problem especially with all of the wealth Mexico has in oil, natural resources, agriculture and tourism.  We are the only country in the world who allows this and it is all for political reasons to allow the Democrats to gather more votes and the "outcry" by the left wing extremist that run our major media.  It is ruining this country.




Since: Sep 19, 2006
Posted on: May 7, 2010 5:29 am
 

The Arizona immigration law

At the end of the day this law will do more for defining State's Rights versus Federal Power than it will deter illegal immigration.  The thing that really baffles me is the complete disconnect between mainstream media and the American Public.  Evey poll that has been put out there, no matter how convoluted the question, has overwhelmingly shown that Americans support this and similar laws.  Even CNN has yet to produce a single poll showing voters are against this law.  Yeah there my be some activist marches, but the average American that has to work to put food on their table and can't go out and protest all week long....that American thinks that this law is a great idea,  and a step in the right direction.  Yet some how you see Rev.  Al Sharpton circling the wagons saying this is a racial issue.  I don't know about you but if I were the CEO of some company I would seriously think about the implications of calling for a boycot of Arizona.  Especially since the majority of Americans support the law.


There were calls for a boycott of the Suns/Spurs game due to this law...I was at the game, and let me tell you every seat was packed and people were spending lots of money.  I think the typical American is really at the point that they could care less what the Media tells them.  Kindof like that Jerry Sinfeld marriage tv show.  At the end of the day the couples could care less what a bunch of celebrities tell them to do.  Heck most of those celebrities can't hold a decent relationship anyway.  Mainstream media have become the same.  They are so busy trying to create the news that they completely fail to report it.




Since: Sep 15, 2008
Posted on: May 7, 2010 12:33 am
 

The Arizona immigration law

The fact is the law does not define "reasonable suspicion".
You're right. The laws in Arizona have long since defined what "reasonable suspicion" means. It needn't be defined in every law passed (Even though a general definition does appear in this law.)

In particular, there is no requirement that a crime be committed, it is enough for the police to have a suspicion. In the rest of the US, if you are stopped with reasonable cause and refuse to show your identity (or do not have it) it might mean a trip to the precinct. In Arizona you are guilty of a crime and can be tossed in jail.

Complete garbage. Lies of this magnitude are what is wrong with leftist ideology today. It is illegal for police to stop and question you for no reason. As for it being a crime in Arizona, guess what? It's a crime in EVERY state to be without identification. So much ignorance surrounds the critics of this law.

Racial profiling will happen under the Arizona law -- that is what it is designed to do after all. If you are honest with yourself you know that. This is a law designed to target Hispanics and not illegal immigrants per se. I wonder how many of the enlightened majority in Arizona would react if they believed they might be stopped and asked for their papers and upon failure to show such be tossed into jail and fined. Odd that so many conservatives could favor a law giving the state the power to make you a criminal because you do not have your indentity papers with you. It seems the liberals are the real conservatives here, concerned with the constitutional rights of individuals in this country.

This law is not designed to target anyone in particular. That is a lie and if you were honest with yourself you would never have said it. The law states specifically that targeting people because of skin color is not to be tolerated. Arizona even passed and amendment simply to restate what was already obvious to intelligent people - racial profiling is prohibited.

You go on to state that you will be jailed for simply not having your ID. That also is a lie. Like any person in this country who forgets their license and gets stopped, you are given an opportunity to show it later. The fallacies in your post are stagering.

You state that it's the liberals concerned about the constitutional rights and not the conservatives. Living in a very liberal area I have become fluent in "idiot", so let me translate: "Liberals, in an attempt to engage in racist identity politics, have managed to become the champions of US constitutional rights for people who are NOT citizens of the US and favors them of the safety, well-being, and constitutional rights of ACTUAL US citizens."

But let me pose this thought experiment for you concerning racial profiling: Arizona is currently in the midst of a financial/social/criminal crisis spurred from illegal immigration. Should Arizona authorities look for Mexicans who make up 99.999% of the illegal imigrants in Arizona, or those dastardly Irish potato farmers? Maybe Chinese railroad workers?

Logic...


The violation of the first and fourth amendments looks clear enough to me and I am sure this law will not meet the constitutional test. In the interim, it labels Arizona and the majority of its citizens as unconcerned about individual liberty in the face of the state. From where I sit, that's a principled basis for supporting a boycott. The only thing I find positive about this is the cost of the lawsuits the citizens of Arizona will have to pay.

Again, the logical fallacy here is monumental. The Bill of Rights also helps guarantee state's rights, and when the federal government fails to act, to garner a larger voting bloc, then it is the duty of the state to act to protect it's citizens regardless of the feds whining.

How does it feel to be wrong about.....everything?




Since: Nov 22, 2006
Posted on: May 6, 2010 11:27 pm
 

The Arizona immigration law

I, AND MILLIONS OF AMERICANS, WILL BOYCOTT ARIZONA UNTIL THIS RACIST LAW IS OVERTURNED, BY THE VOTERS OR THE COURTS!



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