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The Arizona immigration law

Posted on: May 3, 2010 9:32 pm
Edited on: May 3, 2010 9:33 pm
 
No matter what you think of it, read this before forming a final opinion.

There is talk of an All-Star Game boycott. I'm sure at some point next season's national championship game (in Glendale, Ariz.) will come into play. I'll have a take on all this in a future column but wanted to pass this along.
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Since: May 5, 2010
Posted on: May 5, 2010 9:55 am
 

The Arizona immigration law

Please answer me one question what do you want the people of arizona to do? If someone came into your house  time and time again and drains you of your resources and leaves you nothing for it what do you do? Before you answer me  i am a first generation cuban american yes a latino.



Since: Sep 7, 2007
Posted on: May 5, 2010 8:43 am
 

The Arizona immigration law

 Sorry, my earlier posting was a reply to Mr. Bold Print on the first page....



Since: Sep 7, 2007
Posted on: May 5, 2010 8:37 am
 

The Arizona immigration law


    51 percent of all people in the country are for this bill, 70 percent in Arizona support it. They see that there is a reason this bill is needed. Have you even been to Arizona? (Holidays in Flagstaff don't count).. 


    Your solution would be to legalize drugs.. I am a Liberal, you are just dillusional. 



Since: Nov 11, 2009
Posted on: May 5, 2010 4:58 am
 

The Arizona immigration law

@IrishInAriz

The true ignorance you and others here express of the Bill of Rights is more than a little frightening. I am not surprised that you would say "don't think for a minute that I care about your choice to be offended and your choice to live a miserable life of victimhood.  You may think you are exempt from the rules of civility and are entitled to offend 3 million Arizonans, but I know better.  The hypocricy of the left and its victimhood mentality is sickening." This is after all exactly the lack of civility that leads people to ignore reason and believe discrimination is fine so long as it is the 'other people'. Your reference to the rules of civility is ironic given the nature of this law. I'm still trying to parse "vicitmhood". What, exactly, do you mean by that?

In the interest of a reasonable discussion I'll try again. I explained why the law is unlikely to pass muster on constitutional grounds. I suggested that if you believed the law would be applied to you and yours the fundamental violation of your rights inherent in this law might be apparent. Perhaps I was wrong on this last point. Forget illegal immigration for a moment and concentrate on the matter at hand, which is the law in question.

Are you OK with a law that can be arbitrarily enforced by police that requires you, a US citizen, to have papers proving such on your person at all times and produce those papers on demand or go to jail and pay a fine?

I find such a law odious because it strikes at the very foundations of this country.

Again, the cognitive dissonance of conservatives is striking. They inevitably stand against government intrusion into thier lives as a general principle, but when it gets to particulars regarding laws that increase the power of the state they are enthusiastic supporters. Generally, I think they honestly believe in the general principles (and I usually agree with them) so I have usually taken this to mean they lack the ability to apply their principle. Let me illustrate. They are against intrusive government but fine with warrantless wiretapping and government trolling of cellphone records because it only affected 'terrorists'. They were OK with 'enhanced interrogation' because it was someone the president could designate an enemy of state and deny the most basic rights of habeous corpus and a court trial. And I could go on and on.  One should instinctively reject these laws if one has an understanding of what being a free citizen meant to the people who founded this country. So, IrishInAriz, where is my hypocrisy?

Illegal immigration is undoubtably a serious issue and we all need politicians that can work together to solve the matter at the federal level. No doubt Arizona and a handful of other states bear a disproportionate burden of a failed policy. Solving the problem will require honest debate and compromises. The citizens of Arizona and elsewhere will have to elect politicians capable of taking on that hard work.

The Arizona law is a bad law and it will not stand.



Since: Nov 3, 2007
Posted on: May 5, 2010 12:39 am
 

The Arizona immigration law

Sokrafty If they are illegal they are not American citizens.



Since: Nov 3, 2007
Posted on: May 5, 2010 12:37 am
 

The Arizona immigration law

If the NCAA takes some kind of "moral" stand on breaking the law then just let players use steroids. I mean they are just trying to better themselves. What are they gonna do? Tell ASU and UA not to play games in Arizona. If any of you support illegal immigration then drive your ass to Arizona. Pick up 4-5 illegals and take them back to wherever it is you come from. You are responsible for their well being.


corona79
Since: Sep 3, 2006
Posted on: May 4, 2010 11:58 pm
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Since: Jan 28, 2008
Posted on: May 4, 2010 9:53 pm
 

The Arizona immigration law

Great link sir.  If the federal government had any true interest in protecting our borders then this wouldn't be an issue.  Props to Arizona for stepping up to the plate.  The only thing I'll be boycotting is anything produced by a "boycotter."



Since: May 3, 2009
Posted on: May 4, 2010 9:40 pm
 

The Arizona immigration law

Where are all of the teabaggers complaining about fascism, nazism, and a government run police state?  Oh it doesn't affect white people so it's ok to harass American Citizens.



Since: Sep 19, 2006
Posted on: May 4, 2010 8:53 pm
 

The Arizona immigration law



I don't know about you, but around 2:16 or so in that clip they show a statistic of polled arizonans...for some reason the overwhelming majority of people that actually live with this issue every day seem to think that this law will help things.  Personally I would take their word over some left wing nut that is only talking about the issue to garner hispanic support in his next election. 


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