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BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

Posted on: May 20, 2010 8:38 pm
 

The BCS has the power  to vacate one of its championships should USC be found guilty violating of NCAA bylaws. The question is, what form would that take?

USA Today reported Wednesday that a little-known BCS rule added in January 2007 allows the BCS to vacate the championship of a team if it has found to be guilty of major rules violations. USC is awaiting penalties -- if any -- regarding the Reggie Bush case. Bush is alleged to have taken money and extra benefits from would-be agents while at the school. If he is ruled by the NCAA to have competed while ineligible, the association could strip USC victories while he was at the school. Only, then would the BCS step in.

But the NCAA doesn't sponsor a championship in football so it essentially has no jurisdiction on USC's '04 title. How the BCS would strip that title isn't clear.

The BCS can't compel the American Football Coaches Association or the Associated Press to take back trophies from the Trojans' 2004 championship season.  In other sports besides football, the NCAA typically only removes references of championships in media guides and record books of teams that have vacated wins.

In the case of the BCS, what record books? What media guides? The BCS runs a website, bcsfootball.org, and puts out a small pamphlet-like media guide each season. 

Since 1998, the AFCA has awarded a trophy to the winner of the BCS title game. The AP awards a trophy to a team that finishes No. 1 among the voters in its final poll. AP told the BCS to drop it from its formula a few years ago, in part due to a conflict of interest among its voters.

A college football national championship has never been forfeited or vacated (in the wire service era since 1936).

"The NCAA will do whatever we do," one BCS official said.


The NCAA has section in its record book recognizing BCS champions.

The NCAA has vacated those records and championships in basketball and other sports. That typically involves removing a teams' wins and championships of record books and media guides. In the case of Florida State's Bobby Bowden, it would have involved no reference its former coach being the all-time winningest coach in NCAA history.

Prior to his retirement, the veteran coach was within reach of catching Joe Paterno for No. 1 on the all-time list. The NCAA then forced Florida State to vacate 12 of his victories. Bowden finished with 377 career victories.

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Comments

Since: Mar 8, 2010
Posted on: June 3, 2010 3:38 am
 

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

A very classy post.  I know it is hard for a real fan to say that his team did not play well enough to deserve the championship.

But Auburn isn't likely to accept it.  They only count one National Championship even though several polls have voted them as national champions eight different years.   Alabama would take it however.  Beaqr Bryant used to say that if a laundromat in Tuscaloosa voted Alabama number one then Alabama would count that.



Since: Sep 8, 2007
Posted on: June 2, 2010 10:37 pm
 

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title



Won't go to oklahoma, they already had to forfeit all victories that year.  Oregon only lost to Oklahoma (on a last second play in holiday bowl) and USC that year, so they will be undefeated.  I'm just saying.....

You are one year off. You are thinking of the 2005 season, not the 2004 season when OU played USC for the National Championship.
OU was 12-0 in 2004 before badly losing to USC, including an easy victory over Oregon in Norman early in that season.

OU was 7-4 before beating Oregon in that Holiday Bowl in 2005 at the very end like you mentioned. OU did have to forfeit those victories, but they were later overturned I believe.  



Since: Jun 1, 2010
Posted on: June 1, 2010 10:34 pm
 

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

Won't go to oklahoma, they already had to forfeit all victories that year.  Oregon only lost to Oklahoma (on a last second play in holiday bowl) and USC that year, so they will be undefeated.  I'm just saying.....

Really, it should just be vacated if they are going to strip it.   Its such a weak penalty to only be stripped of prior victories:  No one cares.  If you want to penalize, hold a team out of a bowl game the next year.



Since: May 26, 2010
Posted on: May 26, 2010 12:05 pm
 

Poppycock!

The BCS can't take back what it never gave. As is pointed out in the article, it can't force the Coaches or AP voters to vote differently. There is no BCS trophy to take away (the Waterford crystal one is for the Coaches Poll). The BCS does not award a title, it merely recognizes the Coaches & AP titles.

Besides that, even in the most USC-hater-ish allegations in the Bush case have him, or his family, receiving any benefits prior to 2005. Allegedly, his first discussions were with Michaels and Lake in November 2004, but talking to a wannabe agent isn't a violation of anything.



Since: Aug 26, 2006
Posted on: May 26, 2010 9:45 am
 

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

Anybody remember Maurece Clarrett?  Anybody remember what was done after he was found cheating?  No victories vacated, no BCS championship revoked, nothing happend at all other than a loser was kicked out of school.  If the NCAA found the bush's mom's boyfriend was taking money, or if Mcknight's girl friends boss, a county tax assessor and a Washington grad with no connections to USC, did anything but co-sign on McKnights girl friend's,( a county worker which no one ever gets fired from), car loan,these are a little removed compared to Clarret directly taking money or Rhett bomar and other OU athletes having no-show jobs from a booster's car dealer.considerign nothing was done then, perhaps you USC haters out there will have to find something else to wine about



Since: Sep 4, 2008
Posted on: May 25, 2010 7:37 pm
 

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

Well if there is a punishment for this, it can't be what this ridiculous blog suggests!!!!  The School didn't give Reggie any extra benefits, it was someone else.  I could see a scholarship or two taken away for a year, but "vacating a national title??" no way, c'mon!!!  The punishment to USC must fit the crime, and the university didn't actually do anything...



Since: Oct 26, 2008
Posted on: May 25, 2010 5:34 pm
 

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

If Reggie or his parents entered into a contract with sports agents while Bush was at SC, they knew it was wrong.

The Bushes didn't need to attend any compliance meeting to know they were not allowed to receive special housing arrangements.  If that's what they did.

The University can't bug the homes of parents, but neither can they look the other way and say, "Our policy is that if we ask you know questions you can tell us no lies."  If that was the case, every university would smile and say, "We, I repeat, we, cannot give you anything," (wink, wink), "and we hope no one else gives you anything like a car, a job with a lot of pay for no work, free clothes at the campus book store."

Players and families are given the scoop of what is proper.  And the Bushes and Reggie know if they broke the rules.  And despite what silly billy and others may wish, cheating includes more that what a school gives someone.



Since: Nov 6, 2009
Posted on: May 25, 2010 2:47 pm
 

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

USC is not responsible for what Mr. and Mrs. Bush did in 2004.  The University can't bug every home of every players parents!!!!!!  Cheating would be if the school itself gave Reggie something, and THEY DID NOT!!!!  This blog is assuming way too much!!!  There are a few reporters out there who really want to put out bad press against USC, there's a guy on Yahoo who writes anything negative he can, must be Notre Dame and UCLA alums getting desperate to catch USC...




Since: Nov 28, 2006
Posted on: May 25, 2010 2:20 pm
 

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

Amen to that



Since: Sep 4, 2008
Posted on: May 25, 2010 2:12 pm
 

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

Oh C'mon!  Why do people love to talk about this stuff so much?  USC never knew what Reggie Bush's parents did, Reggie himself might not have even known.  Parents should be present at compliance meetings, or be briefed fully on the rules.  USC can't police every players parents, no university can.  So let it go, USC won and deserved that title, the University is not at fault.  There are much better topics to blog about than this...    


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