Blog Entry

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

Posted on: May 20, 2010 8:38 pm

The BCS has the power  to vacate one of its championships should USC be found guilty violating of NCAA bylaws. The question is, what form would that take?

USA Today reported Wednesday that a little-known BCS rule added in January 2007 allows the BCS to vacate the championship of a team if it has found to be guilty of major rules violations. USC is awaiting penalties -- if any -- regarding the Reggie Bush case. Bush is alleged to have taken money and extra benefits from would-be agents while at the school. If he is ruled by the NCAA to have competed while ineligible, the association could strip USC victories while he was at the school. Only, then would the BCS step in.

But the NCAA doesn't sponsor a championship in football so it essentially has no jurisdiction on USC's '04 title. How the BCS would strip that title isn't clear.

The BCS can't compel the American Football Coaches Association or the Associated Press to take back trophies from the Trojans' 2004 championship season.  In other sports besides football, the NCAA typically only removes references of championships in media guides and record books of teams that have vacated wins.

In the case of the BCS, what record books? What media guides? The BCS runs a website,, and puts out a small pamphlet-like media guide each season. 

Since 1998, the AFCA has awarded a trophy to the winner of the BCS title game. The AP awards a trophy to a team that finishes No. 1 among the voters in its final poll. AP told the BCS to drop it from its formula a few years ago, in part due to a conflict of interest among its voters.

A college football national championship has never been forfeited or vacated (in the wire service era since 1936).

"The NCAA will do whatever we do," one BCS official said.

The NCAA has section in its record book recognizing BCS champions.

The NCAA has vacated those records and championships in basketball and other sports. That typically involves removing a teams' wins and championships of record books and media guides. In the case of Florida State's Bobby Bowden, it would have involved no reference its former coach being the all-time winningest coach in NCAA history.

Prior to his retirement, the veteran coach was within reach of catching Joe Paterno for No. 1 on the all-time list. The NCAA then forced Florida State to vacate 12 of his victories. Bowden finished with 377 career victories.

Category: NCAAF

Since: Aug 4, 2008
Posted on: May 22, 2010 12:52 am

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

I am all for the BCS getting together as they do annually to vote for the National Champion game and who will play in it. That is the American way get together  with your computer and elect who will play in the National Championship game each year.

If for some reason SC is stripped of it’s rightful championship then let the BCS and all it’s members, computers and whom ever else they need to select the vacated championship.

We all know who actually won the championships game that year and no one can take that away from SC no matter the circumstances.

So do what you must but everyone will always remember that SC put a whopping on Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl in that game.

For years to come even if the win is taken from us, we will still tell our children and grandchildren the story of how SC went into the Orange bowl as the underdog with your Heisman Trophy winning quarterback and that all everything running back and beat the mighty Sooners.

If the win is taken then Oklahoma or Auburn may have it, but they will not have the memories.

I don’t know how Auburn would fit into the picture they were no where near the game, but I have no objection to whom ever is selected as the championship because that is the way it appears the teams are selected any way. Wins and losses play no role in the regular season because three teams with the same record, one would not be “Selected”

Normally those selected play a weak out of conference schedule, not teams that play a competitive schedule bit those that play schools that are not even BCS level programs.

We all know who won the Championship game even if we are stripped of our Championship.

So good luck Auburn and Oklahoma on being selected as the Champion whom ever is selected.



Since: Aug 26, 2007
Posted on: May 22, 2010 12:20 am

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

Regardless of what happens.  Anybody football fan will remember that USC was by far the most dominant team in '04.  Not even close.  Reggie Bush probably would have been pretty good even if his parents weren't living in a house rent free. I agree he was ineligible.  USC was clicking on all cylinders that year and would probably have won it with only Lendale White in the backfield. 

Also, Bowden is legendary, doesn't matter that they vacated 12 victories.

Since: Jul 13, 2007
Posted on: May 21, 2010 10:06 pm

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

Didn't Bush's family's alleged stupidity begin in 2005?  How does that affect a 2004 championship?

Since: Sep 24, 2006
Posted on: May 21, 2010 9:54 pm

The Brain in Dodds' Head has been Vacated

Dear Dennis:

Here we go again. Another day bored around the house with nothing to do. "I know", Dennis says to himself..."I'll write another article speculating about USC regarding sanctions. My readership will eat it up and think it is the gospel truth since it comes from me." Dennis you need to grow a brain (as well as some hair on your thick skull). This USC speculation you have been going on about for the last year is truly dribble. Do you remember when you wrote that article about how Pete Carrol wasn't going to go to Seattle and coach the Seahawks. And then the next day you revised that same article thinking that no one was any the wiser. By the way, you can view that article on your archieve files. Well, you are a moron Dennis. You didn't fool anyone. Perhaps you should get out of the house more often and try and actually investigating about something instead of speculating about it.

Since: Sep 10, 2007
Posted on: May 21, 2010 9:14 pm

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

First off let me say, it was garbage Auburn never got to play USC that year.  It was joke politics and poll manipulation by coaches in the Big 12 that got Oklahoma to that fake title game.  Give it to Auburn, but the people and fans of Auburn would say screw the title, we want to play USC.
Let me clarify "FAKE TITLE GAME" It is a mythical championship game that ignores the concept of a play off.
The BCS  stands for Bull Crap Series.
It has taken away from the NCAA the chance to give a true national championship. The other divisions of football are quite capable of playing a national championship game. The Division I-AA is now 20 teams.
The BCS  is designed to make money for the teams that already have money and make money for the bowl organization committees.
Bowl games and the bowl game system is not designed to give the best match ups or the most entertaining games.  It is designed strictly to get fan money. An exception to that rule might be the Holiday bowl.

So who cares what the BCS committee says or tries to do. They are a bunch of egotistical fakes if they think they are helping Division I football. They lack integrity, and are easily bought.

Since: Sep 26, 2008
Posted on: May 21, 2010 8:20 pm

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

I couldn't agree with you more !!   The BCS is B.S.

Since: Nov 25, 2008
Posted on: May 21, 2010 7:50 pm

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

Well put. I don't want it either.

Since: Aug 30, 2007
Posted on: May 21, 2010 3:44 pm

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

What amazes me is how people make it sound like Pete Carroll had this all-time program at USC. He won ONE BCS title. ONE. UNO. And now we learn that that one was very tainted. So, chances are, after all is said and done, he will have won no BCS titles at USC. So when Lame is fired in a couple of years, he can say he won just as many at Pete. Too funny.

Since: Aug 23, 2006
Posted on: May 21, 2010 3:32 pm

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

Exactly.  There are no National Champions in college football (division 1 or whatever they call it now is the only one that hasn't figured out how to do this).  Who plays for that game is determined by the BCS formula.  And who cares about anything the BCS does anyway, or for that matter, who they vote into that game.  If I was Auburn, I'd look at my record from that year and smile.  13-0 is not too shabby.

Since: Jan 9, 2009
Posted on: May 21, 2010 2:35 pm

BCS can vacate USC's 2004 title

It's not like USC really earned it either.  They only won a game called the "National Championship."  There have been no true national champions in football. 

Also, it is stupid to strip wins.  Just take away scholarships now.  If you win a game, you won it.  Nobody can take that away from you

The views expressed in this blog are solely those of the author and do not reflect the views of CBS Sports or