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Pac-10 to become first superconference, maybe

Posted on: June 3, 2010 7:52 pm
Edited on: June 3, 2010 9:04 pm
 
Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott didn't exactly deny Thursday's Orangeblood.com's report regarding a raid on the Big 12. Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe didn't react at all, hurrying to an elevator with media trailing behind.

It's obvious the report that predicted the biggest upheaval, perhaps ever in conference affiliation, touched a nerve all over the country.

Scott told the Denver Post late Thursday afternoon in San Francisco only that there will be no offer this weekend. The internet report said that it "appears" the Pac-10 "is prepared" to invite Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado from the Big 12. The "thought is," according to the story, that the Pac-10 would then start its own network.

"I don't expect anything definitive," Scott said of the Pac-10 meetings that begin on Friday. "Nothing's changed in terms of our timetable. We've been very consistent. We're on course and moving deliberately."

As the story moved into Thursday evening, the report appeared to gain traction. Scott has said from the beginning that he would like to have a plan of attack by this summer. It is known that the Pac-10 must have its membership finalized by December in order to begin the next round of television negotiations with Fox. Its current contract with Fox expires in 2012, the same year as the Big 12.

The two conferences have discussed a partnership and scheduling alliance that would fall short of a full merger.

Here are several thoughts about the report.

  Texas AD DeLoss Dodds and Texas A&M AD Bill Byrne are both on record within the last two days as saying they did not favor the Pac-10 because of the strain on the student-athletes. Byrne, in particular, was furious that the women's basketball team had to travel all night from the Spokane, Wash. to College Station after an NCAA Tournament loss. The team's plane landed at 6:30 a.m. CT. Players had to be in class at 8 a.m.

  On the other hand, Texas has long looked down its nose at having to play the likes of Baylor and Iowa State in the Big 12. The school might have also tired of whining from Missouri about uneven conference revenue distribution. Dodds said earlier this week, "We're going to be a player in whatever happens."

  Scott aims high. It's obvious he wasn't hired by the Pac-10 to vet out the likes of Utah and BYU. Pac-10 expansion has moved to another level. That doesn't mean they'll necessarily get six Big 12 teams. It might mean the Pac-10 is going to try like hell, though.

  Buyouts wouldn't be an issue with a raided Big 12. How do you buy out of a conference that doesn't exist? With half of its members gone, the remaining Big 12 teams would be scrambling.

  Beebe refused to answer reporters questions on Thursday at the Big 12 meetings in Kansas City, saying he would speak on Friday. That's out of character for the usually affable Beebe who headed for elevator with reporters tailing behind. Is the Big 12 reeling from a knockout blow, looking for a way to retrench?

  Anyone want to ask the Rose Bowl's opinion of this? The contract with the Pac-10 is for ... the Pac-10. Not a 16-team conglomerate that might advance Texas Tech to Pasadena. While the network deals are redone, don't forget some bowl contracts are going to have to reconfigured.

  Missouri and Nebraska have to be nervous. Those fans better hope their schools get invited to the Big Ten. If not, we're looking at the Mountain West suddenly inviting the Big 12 leftovers. Nebraska at New Mexico? Colorado State vs. Missouri for a division title? Not exactly the Big Ten, fellas.    

  The Mountain West could be in the right place at the right time. The league is expected to invite Boise State on Monday, expanding to 10 teams. The MWC is attempting to gain automatic BCS qualification status. Adding Missouri and Nebraska wouldn't hurt that pursuit.

  What does the Big Ten do if the Pac-10 becomes the first superconference? Or does it even matter? Missouri and Nebraska are still in play. How, then, does the SEC respond? If the report is true, the Pac-16(?) would pass the SEC in revenue paying out $20 million per team. The SEC/s new deal with CBS and ESPN guarantees each team $17 million.
Comments

Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: June 4, 2010 1:23 pm
 

Pac-10 to become first superconference, maybe

football
-each team plays 7 other teams from their division
-each team plays 4 teams from other division 2 at home 2 away and rotate 2nd year
      
;   then rotate to other 4 teams for years 3 and 4 (Play every team in conf in 4 years)
-each team plays 1 OOC game
= 12 total games
I understand the logic, LSUtiger, but roarlion is right.  This costs most BCS programs a home game or two, and therefore costs them a lot of money.  Most BCS conference teams play 8 conference and 4 OOC games each year, with at least 3 of those OOC games at home.  The ususal 7-8 home games could drop as low as 5-6 home games.  By losing a couple of home games each year, most programs would lose $Millions in revenue they currently enjoy.  Using Ohio St as an example, the Buckeyes typically bring in at least $5 Mil per home OOC game.  If you think schools like that would be willing to give up $10 Million in annual revenue, you've got another thing coming.  And it just might involve a couple of nice young men and a white jacket with long, long sleeves.



Since: Apr 11, 2009
Posted on: June 4, 2010 1:21 pm
 

Pac-10 to become first superconference, maybe

To add a little bit of facts to disprove the Gator fan's opinion that the SEC athletics don't have good academics, the SEC has three Universities that are listed on the NCAA website for teams subject to penalties for APR [Auburn 4 sports, Arkansas 1 sport, and Tennessee 1 sport].  This list of 3 Universities with 6 sports doesn't compare too closely with the ACC that has 0 Universities, and this list doesn't include sports that have exemptions from the minimum requirements due to improvements to the previous terrible ratings (example Georgia which has an APR percentile of 20-30% for a sport but isn't a penalty because this is improved over the previous years numbers). 



Since: Apr 11, 2009
Posted on: June 4, 2010 1:10 pm
 

Pac-10 to become first superconference, maybe

RussianMobster,

I don't know if you are having difficulty reading, but I never once said it is all about the academics.  When Miami decided to switch from the Big East to the ACC, it was due to the fact that they considered it a better mix of academics and athletics.  The majority of the schools in the SEC are typically towards the bottom in the NCAA academic standards for athletics, which is why the University of Miami would not leave the ACC for the SEC until the SEC learned that "student" is a part of student athletes.



Since: Jan 9, 2007
Posted on: June 4, 2010 12:25 pm
 

Pac-10 to become first superconference, maybe

LSU tiger the big boys of football would never go for that scheduling concept.  You would see 7 divisional games and 1 or 3 crossover games (you have to have an odd number of crossover games to balance the home and away.)  My guess is that it would be 1 crossover game.  In today's economic climate teams need to be able to schedule at least 7 home games.  Some even schedule 8.  This extra million or so per game goes a long way in funding the Girls's lacrosse and field hockey teams. 

Using your theory some teams would have 6 conference home games, some 5  that would never fly.



Since: Nov 2, 2006
Posted on: June 4, 2010 12:17 pm
 

Pac-10 to become first superconference, maybe

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Would Miami really be willing to go to a conference for just a little bit of extra money in which they had to face other Universities who had low admissions standards for academics and could accept players that the University of Miami had to turn away do to not qualifying?




So why not drop the ACC and join the Ivey league or go independent  if its all about the academics



Since: May 5, 2008
Posted on: June 4, 2010 11:48 am
 

Pac-10 to become first superconference, maybe

let me clear up the "scheduling" issue

2 8 team divisions

football
-each team plays 7 other teams from their division
-each team plays 4 teams from other division 2 at home 2 away and rotate 2nd year
      
;   then rotate to other 4 teams for years 3 and 4 (Play every team in conf in 4 years)
-each team plays 1 OOC game
= 12 total games

basketball
-play every team in conference 1 time
= 15 conf games

baseball
-play 3 game series with division teams (21)
-play 3 games series with half the other division (12)
      
;   rotate to other 4 teams next year
= 33 conf games



Since: Apr 11, 2009
Posted on: June 4, 2010 11:46 am
 

Pac-10 to become first superconference, maybe

jimbalya1,

Do you have any statistics to prove your opinion that the "SEC academics get wrongfully trashed"?  Here is a listing from the NCAA of Universities that had their football programs recognized for having an APR score in the top 10 percentile:

Brown University
Bucknell University
Colgate University
College of the Holy Cross
College of William and Mary
Columbia University-Barnard College
Cornell University
Dartmouth College
Davidson College
Duke University
Harvard University
Northeastern University
Northwestern University
Presbyterian College
Princeton University
Rice University
Rutgers, State Univ of New Jersey, New Brunswick
U.S. Air Force Academy
University of Dayton
University of Maine, Orono
University of Miami
University of Notre Dame
University of Pennsylvania
University of Richmond
Villanova University
Yale University

Are there any SEC teams on this NCAA list?  No.  There are two teams from the ACC that made the 26 team list.  With our new president, the University of Miami is trying the hard job of having a mixture of great academics and great athletics, and I don't believe for the couple of million extra the athletic program would receive for going to the SEC (not factoring in the reduction for academic monies), that the Hurricanes would move to the SEC.

Another point on the academics, there were some big time recruits in South Florida this year that were interested in signing with the Hurricanes.  After a careful screening, these players were told that they did not meet the academic qualifications to be admitted to Miami and the Hurricanes withdrew their scholarship offer.  The majority of these players who were too unintelligent to go to Miami were admitted to schools such as Auburn, Florida, Tennessee (one did go to WV so they all didn't jump to the SEC due to their low standards).  Would Miami really be willing to go to a conference for just a little bit of extra money in which they had to face other Universities who had low admissions standards for academics and could accept players that the University of Miami had to turn away do to not qualifying?



Since: Sep 29, 2007
Posted on: June 4, 2010 11:07 am
 

Pac-10 to become first superconference, maybe

Hurricane,

1. While the SEC isn't the ACC as far as academics go I still think Miami would leave.  If memory serves, they really wanted in back when the SEC expanded the first time.  I think SEC academics get wrongfully trashed on these boards all the time.

2.  The question the SEC has to ask about Miami is this.  do they want Miami?  I've been to a Miami/UF game in Miami and it was more like a UF home game or at worst a neutral field game.  Hell, even the Peach Bowl a few years ago where Miami just waxed UF was a UF home game.  Now, is that because the SEC already has the South Florida market? Or is that market just more of a pro market and the Miami fan base is small and scattered?  (Not a knock on Miami, just the fact it's a smaller private school).

3.  It was always Florida who didn't want Miami  in( as opposed to FSU who simply didn't want to play Auburn and Alabama every year).  But with the changing landscape, I think UF might give on this one.



Anyway.....good discussion.



Since: Nov 2, 2006
Posted on: June 4, 2010 10:42 am
 

Pac-10 to become first superconference, maybe

Pac-10 to become first superconference, maybe

I can't understand why the Big 10 and the Pac-10 can't leave us alone! I also can't understand why the NCAA doesn't do something to prevent conferences from preying on each other like this!




If the rumor going around was that the  Pac-10,Big -10 or the SEC wanted Texas, Kansas, Oklahoma and Nebraska  I have no doubt your only complain at that point would have been that Kansas State was not coming along to keep your instate rivalry going.





Since: Apr 10, 2009
Posted on: June 4, 2010 10:35 am
 

Pac-10 to become first superconference, maybe

I still think the Partnership between the Pac-10 and the Big XII makes the most sense. If the PAC-10 adds Utah and BYU they could get their conference championship and sew up the Salt Lake City market. With a partnership, the conferences could still have their own pie splitting formats and their own academic standards. Plus it takes fuller advantage of the current BCS system. If the PAC-10 just expands to 16, they still only get 1-3 possible BCS slots, whereas the Partnership could land between 2 and 6. You could replace the "non-con" with the "cross-con" sceduling so that each conference team only has two long distance road trips to make. Plus, the Partnership would have two championship games to market. I just think it makes much more logistical sense than the Super Conference idea. 4 cross-conference games, the conference slate, a whole slew of minor bowl games, 2 championship games, and 2-6 BCS slots. Not to mention the fact that is the PAC-10 and Big XII have the best two teams standing at the end of the year, they don't have to eliminate each other before the BCS Championship game. The only downside is splitting the revenue potentially 24 ways instead of 16. But that's an awfully big footprint and payday to be splitting.


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