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Latest from Expansion Central. Syracuse?

Posted on: June 7, 2010 11:24 am
Edited on: June 7, 2010 12:40 pm
The latest scuttlebutt Monday morning has to do with Syracuse being the key to prying Notre Dame loose for the Big Ten.

If Missouri and Nebraska say yes to the Big Ten, I'm hearing that then either Pittsburgh or Rutgers would be paired with Syracuse to form an expanded eastern boundary of the new league. The key, apparently, is taking The 'Cuse into the Big Ten. The fit already looks good. Syracuse chancellor Nancy Cantor is a former chancellor at Illinois and provost at Michigan.

In this scenario, the addition of Syracuse collapses the Big East and potentially forces Notre Dame to find a conference home for its minor sports. Not to mention a conference home for football.

In other words, Notre Dame needs a compelling reason to join a league in football. I reported yesterday that if Notre Dame came to the Big Ten, that league's expansion might be capped at 12. That might not be the case now. The two biggest words to remember in this entire process is that it is always a "fluid situation."

Adding to the intrigue is that Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said Sunday that expansion could happen in stages

If all of the above comes to pass, we'd be looking at two 16-team leagues (Pac-10, Big Ten), the collapse of the Big 12 and Big East and a whole lot of chaos. Does the SEC react?


Since: Jan 6, 2010
Posted on: June 12, 2010 12:24 pm

Latest from Expansion Central. Syracuse?

In the number of NIH grants received, Pitt trailed only Harvard, Johns Hopkins, and the University of Pennsylvania."

Pitt is it...and not a second tier school like Nebraska, Missouri, or Rutgers. But the Big 10 is a greed first institution and will be guided accordingly.

Since: Jun 11, 2010
Posted on: June 11, 2010 12:14 pm
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Since: Sep 10, 2006
Posted on: June 10, 2010 4:13 pm

Latest from Expansion Central. Syracuse?

You can almost say nothing orginal about this topic considering how much it has been beat to death the last few months but the AAU membership and research grant money probably far outweighs any advantage location has to membership.  Take Pitt for example, they have a respectable football and basketball team, new facilities, AAU members, natural locational rivalry with Penn St and Ohio State, and there own world renown Hospital system.  But what strikes me is the research money that the conference supposedly shares.  For all you naysayers out there, why wouldn't they want Pitt?  I found this in the Pgh Post gazette.  It is from Dec 09

With Pitt spending $672 million in research funds -- it ranks fifth nationally for NIH funding, far outpacing what it collects in tuition payments -- and UPMC spending $89 million, "We wanted to make the research payment operation very efficient," said Susan Gilbert, assistant treasurer for Pitt.

Read more:

A little older but still proves my point.

"Newly released data for fiscal year 2006 show that Pitt received $447 million in NIH research support. In addition, Pitt ranks fourth nationally in the number of individual grants received.

The top 10 research-intensive universities (including affiliates) in the United States in 2006 were: Harvard University; Johns Hopkins University; the University of Pennsylvania; the University of California, San Francisco; the University of Washington; the University of Pittsburgh; the University of California, Los Angeles; Duke University; the University of Michigan; and Washington University.

In the number of NIH grants received, Pitt trailed only Harvard, Johns Hopkins, and the University of Pennsylvania."

Since: Sep 10, 2006
Posted on: June 10, 2010 3:31 pm

Latest from Expansion Central. Syracuse?

I'm from Pittsburgh and there are a lot more Pitt fans in South Western PA than Penn State fans.  I think you hit the nail on the head with the percentage of cable subscribers.  Sure, some people like Penn St but they don't own the Pittsburgh market.  Not even close.  As another poster stated previously, Pitt had a rivalry with Penn St, they are 2 hours from Columbus and could start a rivalry with Ohio St.  It could be called the backyard brawl 2.  And Pitt has a better chance of helping get ND in the picture than Cuse.  There is something of a football rivalry starting the past few years between Pitt and ND. 

All in all, I hope the BE stays intact and adds ND.  With the addition of ND and the strength of Pitt and WVU, they would be ok in football.  Basketball would be just as good or better than it ever was.  What is not to like.  I think it would be ironic and hilarious if the BE Network took off and become the richest conference in the country. 

We can dream, can't we?

Since: Mar 8, 2009
Posted on: June 9, 2010 9:16 pm

Latest from Expansion Central. Syracuse?

Nice piece Patrickneil! Made me feel better. Don't see the cuse wanting to move the B-Ball team neither. LEAVE THE BIG EAST ALONE!

Since: Mar 8, 2009
Posted on: June 9, 2010 9:11 pm

Latest from Expansion Central. Syracuse?

If they tear apart the Big East, I would be done with collage football also! Maybe even all collage sports.

Since: Jun 9, 2010
Posted on: June 9, 2010 5:58 pm

Latest from Expansion Central. Syracuse?

Thank you.  The only one here to mention that key element.  Lacrosse.  Dennis Dodd, like all other national reporters doesn't understand the first thing about Syracuse because they don't understand lacrosse.  All they can see is football, football, football, and occasionally basketball.  While basketball is big at SU, and as is football, the school is all about its lacrosse.  They're the ancestral homeland of the sport, the leader in number of national championships, and the team to beat every year.  This year they started competition in the Big East's brand new lacrosse league, where they won the first conference championship.  I just can't believe that Syracuse would say "forget our biggest sports, were just gonna focus on our number 3, football."  Only one Big 10 school even has a lacrosse team, Penn State, so if they move, what do they do with the lacrosse team?  Leave it in the Big East?!  Go back to being independent?  Send it to some hodgepodge conference like the ECAC?  Lacrosse isn't a big paycheck sport, but what would alumni do if they betrayed it?  I'm constantly shocked that articles like this one about Syracuse and the Big East are so blind to major hurdles like this.

Since: Nov 8, 2007
Posted on: June 9, 2010 10:36 am

Latest from Expansion Central. Syracuse?

Being from Syracuse I understand that our program is rebuilding But remember our basketball team comes with it along with our Lacrosse team. SU basketball enters the Big 10 as the team to beat and that goes for MS also. Sealed

Since: Nov 8, 2007
Posted on: June 9, 2010 10:22 am

Latest from Expansion Central. Syracuse?

Talk what you want about SU football but SU basketball in the slow it down game of big 10 basketball. Other than MS that league sucks. I go to the big east Tourney every year In NY City now I would have to go to Indy Really? Please god not the big 10 How about the ACC at least they play good basketball. Leaves us alone.

Since: Jan 16, 2010
Posted on: June 9, 2010 9:59 am

Latest from Expansion Central. Syracuse?

I am no fan of what is going on now. This is about crearting a system that will further beat down programs such as Boise, Utah, TCU or any football upstart. Despite their bloated football budgets these schools cant get it done on the field so now its time to circle the wagons to insure the cash and the championships will stay in the family and not won on the field. What I find most upsetting is how the SEC, ACC, and Big East seem to be sitting on their hands and getting rolled. Nebraska would be a perfect fit for the Big 10 this would be another team added to a league that complete a 5yd out pattern. 

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