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Finally, some closure in expansion. Maybe.

Posted on: June 9, 2010 7:45 am
 

Well, this is it.

Finally, some break in the ice pack that has frozen college athletics since the Big Ten maybe, kind of began exploring expansion in December. The Omaha World-Herald is reporting that Nebraska could go to the Big Ten by Friday.

Say goodbye to the Big 12.

Say hello to a bigger, bloated Pac-10.

Get used to two super conferences (Big Ten, Pac-10) -- at least.

Wish Nebraska luck in a strange, new world. The school was really forced into this move by Texas. Once Texas issued its "ultimatum" (or whatever you want to call it), Nebraska's fate was sealed. It could declare allegiance to the Big 12, but why? If the Big Ten offered, the money was too good. If Nebraska had to go back to the Big 12, the rancor was too much.

Imagine getting another deadline from the Horns in two years. Tom Osborne and Nebraska couldn't live like that. Now the school is the western boundary of the most powerful conference on earth. The bigger Big Ten will encompass more than 35 percent of the nation's population. Get used to Mike Rozier highlights on the Big Ten Network. Nebraska will be more attached to Chicago and New York than it will North Platte.

Is that a good thing? For Nebraska, it is the only thing. Twenty million is twenty million, reportedly poised to grow to $40 million per team if the Big Ten does this expansion right.

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Since: Jun 25, 2007
Posted on: June 10, 2010 7:50 pm
 

Finally, some closure in expansion. Maybe.

FSU,Maimi,and GT will never be in the SEC.Gators blocked both Florida schools in the past saying it would hurt there recruiting.Same with GT,Georgia wouldnt wont them in.But feel free to invite WVU.As a resident of West Virginia we would be thrilled to be a part of SEC.



Since: Jun 25, 2007
Posted on: June 10, 2010 7:21 pm
 

Finally, some closure in expansion. Maybe.

Dude,finally someone from the Big Ten gets it.ND cleans up in the Big East,why would they want to leave.They get the best recruits from that area and ours.(Big East and WVU fan).PLUS THEY KEEP ALL THERE TV MONEY.And with ND calling the shots for all of college football,we keep our BCS berth.The only thing i wish is WVU listened to Joe PA in the late 70s when he was sayin to form an all east football league.




Since: Jun 10, 2010
Posted on: June 10, 2010 11:54 am
 

The SEC will get even stronger

I think Texas and it's followers going to the Pac 10 would be a good move.  The Big 10 would finally have a championship game because they would add enough teams as well.  The SEC would not take the leftovers from the Big 12.  They would possibly add a team from the Big East, but mainly they would go after FSU, Miami, VaTech, Clemson, or GaTech and be even stronger. 



Since: Jun 10, 2010
Posted on: June 10, 2010 9:52 am
 

Finally, some closure in expansion. Maybe.

Geography and the fact that you have 3 of the top 4 historical programs in the North keeps that from making sense.
North: Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska

South: Ohio State, Penn State, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern

This holds up with the two historicly best teams, OSU/Mich in different divisions.  Also has the next two highest programs with Wi and PSU are divided.  And this holds up quite a bit of rivalries.  OSU/Mich would be cross division, but UM/MSU, MN/WI, MN/IW are all established in the north.  OSU/PSU, OSU, IL (Way old rivalry that OSU barely recognizes), Purdue/IN, Ill/NW in the south.  And Nebraska fans would be more open to playing MN, WI, IW being in closer proximity.  I would put the North here as being slightly better traditionally, but NE is mediocre for now with the potential to be good.  WI, is iffy sometimes and UM has a long way to get back to something good.  IW is a wild card.  OSU/PSU make the south very substantial.  Too close to call really though. I think they need to expand further for better divisions.



Since: Feb 10, 2010
Posted on: June 10, 2010 9:42 am
 

Finally, some closure in expansion. Maybe.

Well, as reports are starting to show is the the ball will drop tomorrow when Nebraska accepts a invitation to the Big Ten and that is step number #1. When that happens, Missouri will be next (probably minutes ahead of Colorado going to Pac-10) in moving towards the Big Ten, step #2. As you can see, three (3) Big XII schools would be already leaving before you hear a peep from Texas. Now, in order for the Big XII to stay in the BCS, they must add three teams to replace those that will be leaving. Who are they???? TCU would be a option, Arkansas has been mentioned (Which I have some reservation on them leaving a luricative payout with the SEC) and then who else?? Another Texas school? I don't see it unless they are considering taking someone from the Mid-majors, which I don't see that happening. So, it is a far gone conclusion that the Big XII, which started out as a legitimate, safe conference that would not be raided like the Big East was 6-8 years, is breathing it's last breath when it comes being in existances come next week. Now, Kanasa, Kansas State, Iowa State, and Baylor are in fact "average" football schools that I believe could co-exist in the Sun Belt or Mountain West, but I can't see Kansas be part the conference with their basketball program. That's a picture I can't not see happening with the expansions of the Pac-10 and the Big Ten. Those teams that are left over from the Big XII will have to create their own conference and start to absorb some Mid-major schools, or take over the Conference USA schools to align themselves with the likes of Kansas for basketball and be the "Big East" of the west.



Since: Dec 26, 2006
Posted on: June 9, 2010 8:41 pm
 

Finally, some closure in expansion. Maybe.

Nice thoughts, but if a school isn't an AAU member then it isn't joining the Big 10. Just forget it. That has been brought up and spoken about by Delaney. Connecticut is not going to the Big 10. Right now, Missouri is on their radar list and holding quiet while everyone whips up the Nebraska froth. It's about TV markets and Nebraska does not have one even close to the list. The Big 10 wants St.Louis. To get St. Louis they have to take Missouri. Missouri is an extremely long time AAU member and fits with the Big 10 profile.
I think Nebraska will go as well, and I think Notre Dame will stay out. The problem with the New York schools is market saturation by pro sports and the fact that New York might as well have the Big 10 package whether or team is there or not.



Since: Sep 16, 2008
Posted on: June 9, 2010 8:23 pm
 

Finally, some closure in expansion. Maybe.

First off, take note Big XII fans, there are several Big Ten guys here and we are more concerned with our conference and not one school, hence the death of the Big XII a la Texas.

Yak, I would still disagree with you in the fact that you have concerns with Penn St., Mich., and OSU in one division.  Yes they are three strong teams but Neb., Wisc., and Iowa are just as strong.

I also don't think that they are going to hold to just one team.  If you are going to get wet, you might as well jump in the deep end.  I don't want Rutgers from a sports standpoint but I do think that they will go to 14 teams with Nebraska and Mizzou in phase one.  I do agree that Notre Dame would fit into the Big Ten but they might take the easy way out in football and just join the Big East and get their way into the BCS that way.



Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: June 9, 2010 7:57 pm
 

Finally, some closure in expansion. Maybe.

If Nebraska does go to the Big 10, it doesn't necessarily mean the end of the Big XII.  Easiest way to keep the conference going?  Add in one team.  And there is an obvious candidate - Arkansas.
Arkansas has the historical SWC connection to the Texas teams.  They're signed to do a series with A&M at the Cowboys Stadium.  It's a good fit.
Then the SEC has to pick up a team from somewhere to round out its numbers.



Since: Feb 22, 2008
Posted on: June 9, 2010 7:39 pm
 

Finally, some closure in expansion. Maybe.

Dynostat, the reason it isn't going to happen is because despite having good locations is because their football programs aren't very good outside of Pitt.  Maybe Penn State shouldn't have joined the Big 10, but now that they are there they sure aren't jumping ship to join a second-rate football conference when the Big 10 is plenty lucrative and serves their basketball needs just fine.  BC isn't leaving the ACC because without ND and Penn State the Big East can't offer them any reason to leave.  The Big East doesn't have the tools to go on the offensive.  They would need to organize a coup of several northeastern schools banding together for no reason other than sentimentalism.  It's much easier for the ones in safe positions to just raid the Big East.  Big East schools who still want to contend in football had better hope they get picked up someone.



Since: Nov 27, 2007
Posted on: June 9, 2010 6:54 pm
 

The tail is wagging the dog...

Most everyone talks about the Big 10, SEC, ACC etc. raiding the Big East so as to obtain TV market share, and that money is the guiding coalition for change. Perhaps true, but I take the alternative view that the Big East already commands the largest TV markets in the US, yet seems to be on the losing end of all the conference consolidation rumors.  Divide and conquer as I say...Cherry pick the Big East schools before they realize that they actually hold the best TV markets already, rather than the reverse thought.....Look, the East has the most people, TV markets, long sports tradition, yet why are they being poached.  Take the offensive and simply create the all East conference that Joe Pa and others in the East always wanted, but couldn't pull off.  Did Penn State join the Big 10 for money??? No, it was because many of the eastern schools joined the predominately basketball Big East conference prematurely at the time, ruining the optimal plan for the East. Now is the time to take take Penn State back from the Big 10, BC from the ACC, and poach MD from the ACC and create the Eastern conference that was envisioned 40 years ago. Why should it be the other way around.  With Penn State, Pitt, WV, BC, MD, Rutgers, Syracuse, UConn, NAVY, Cincincinnati, Louisville, and Temple (who are improving in football), and perhaps convince ND to join, now you have a commanding TV market unsurpassed in the US. Why do you think that the other conferences are anxious to pull some of the Eastern schools into their fold???  Very simple...Money. In my opinion, the East (fragmented because many of the Big East schools do not have a Div 1A football program) appears to be easy pickings for the others.  Turn the tables and consolidate the eastern schools to create the conference that commands the largest TV markets already.  Seems too simple, yet does not seem to be in the cards.  The Big 10 et. al. need the Eastern markets more than the other way around, yet the not so obvious rebuttal is to generate the East as a potentially huge money making conference. Just my thoughts, albeit differing from the pervasive conventional wisdom...The East is strong enough, only it needs some leadership and consolidation to achieve an equal footing (if in football only).


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