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BYU cybergossip

Posted on: August 18, 2010 10:58 am

So far it's only anonymously sourced, but there are multiple rumors and reports that BYU is considering leaving the Mountain West to become an independent.

BYU would be prompted to leave the 11-year-old league after Utah bolted to the Pac-10 this summer. BYU may feel that the conference will ultimately be diminished financially and competitively without Utah. With a worldwide following, BYU could keep all its revenue becoming a mini-Notre Dame: Playing football independently and putting its other sports in the WAC.

BYU pulling out would severely damage the Mountain West which thought this summer it hard shored up its BCS chances by grabbing Boise State (beginning in 2011). With Utah leaving for the Pac-10, the Mountain West would be down to eight teams. BYU was not invited to the Pac-10 because it made little sense for the league to get two teams from the Salt Lake City market. Also, there were academic concerns about BYU compared to other Pac-10 institutions. It is neither a member of the elite Association of American Universities nor a highly rated Carnegie research institution. Seven of the 10 current Pac-10 members are both. The other three are either one or the other. Utah, for example, is rated by Carnegie.

The MWC is hoping for automatic BCS qualifier status in 2012 and 2013. The Mountain West is currently being evaluated (along with all other I-A leagues) on a four-year rotating basis. The BCS is halfway through that evaluation process.

Without talking about BYU specifically, Notre Dame AD Jack Swarbrick told this week that it is still possible and advantageous for a school going independent.

"You've got to solve the non-football side of the equation," Swarbrick said, "but it can work. I don't know if there will be others but it wouldn't shock me because the landscape is so fluid."

Swarbrick added he had not spoken to any particular school about it becoming an independent. There are currently only three independents in Division I-A -- Notre Dame, Army and Navy.

This is what BYU AD Tom Holmoe told the Salt Lake City Tribune in July:

"Independence is an option that obviously has been out there. We will look at everything. We have looked at everything. There are pros and cons to the Pac-10, the Big Ten, the Big 12, the Mountain West Conference and independence. With all these things there are pros and cons.

"So what you have to do is you have to weigh those and measure them against what? What is right for BYU. And not for what is right for BYU in the year 2010, but what is right for BYU into the future.

"That is quite a bit more complex than most people understand. You have got a constituency to deal with. You have got a school to deal with. "

Here is the rest of that interview.

Some outlets are citing a tweet, reportedly coming from Colorado State, that the move will be announced at a Thursday press conference. The school was in the process Wednesday morning releasing a statement denying the tweet had come from Colorado State. A school spokesman said someone had hacked into the school account that could be accessed by only three persons from Colorado State.

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Since: Aug 18, 2010
Posted on: August 18, 2010 1:05 pm

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1) BYU to the Pac10 or many other conferences is wholly unlikely until someone gives in on the Sunday play issue. Pac10 demands it as a way to lessen days missed from class as do others. The Pac10 signalled that it is all about the money by bringing in Utah and Colorado to get the big league championship game. Those schools won't even get full shares until 2014. $$$$$$.

2) BYU has a HD broadcast facility that trumps everyone west of the Mississippi AND it has a channel on all the basic packages for satellite and broadcast. Utah doesn't even attract the majority of the viewers in its own market, BYU does.

3) BYU can now move among higher end opponents on a year in and year out basis. They have cachet that will get them games, even if they have a down year or two.

Since: Mar 12, 2008
Posted on: August 18, 2010 1:00 pm

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This would be an incredible leap of faith. If this works, it would mean more money, more exposure, and perhaps better competition. If it doesn't it could go very bad.
BYU is not likely to get the sweet deal Notre Dame has with the BCS, nor with NBC. They are going to have to hope that they can get a deal with a large network to "broker" some big games for them. If they can play some big teams on a big network they can bolster their schedule and get better exposure. If the big schools do not come (and I'm not quite sure many would risk home and homes) BYU will be looking to schedule an entire year with ??? WAC schools? They simply do not have the built in schedule of Notre Dame, with big time rivals across the country.
As much as this might make more $$ for BYU, if the last ten years have shown us anything regarding independants, it is that without a conference there is little to play for after September.

Since: Jul 29, 2008
Posted on: August 18, 2010 12:49 pm

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I guess BYU is tired of being 2nd best to UNLV in basketball. What a bunch of scrubs. We don't want you in the Mtn west anyway, zoobs. You don't want BYU in the MWC? Without them, Utah (until they leave) and Boise (when they arrive), your entire conference is filled with pushover teams. That's a lot of say when UNLV is a garbage football team and the only thing you can rely on is your bball team.

Since: Mar 3, 2007
Posted on: August 18, 2010 12:48 pm

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This could be problematic for BYU. They may have the following, but right now, to be outside the BCS is not a great idea.
Where is the revenue sharing going to come from when they are in independent in the West? They would have to have a stronger schedule in football, which would not be good for them in terms of that all important won-loss record.
I was actually surprised the Pac-10 (11, 12) did not pick up BYU considering the strong fan base they have in Arizona, but something had to be wrong in the financials if Colorado won out over BYU.
Not only that, but if the BCS adopts the Mountain West, it is to BYU's advantage . Notre Dame is not the best role model for BYU: they have one bowl win since 1994.
If BYU did the Big East type mantra (be a part of the Mountain West or Pac-1? in other sports and be an independent in football, it might work...especially an annual BYU-Notre Dame game, but it would still most likely keep them out of a shot at a BCS bowl. (Unless BYU is trying to put itself in the next round of additions to the which case my argument would be moot)

Since: Jan 16, 2007
Posted on: August 18, 2010 12:46 pm

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Of schools who are looking towards going independent, I think the next one to do it is going to be Hawaii.  Anything the football program can do to retain more of their revenues would be a good thing, and I don't ever see a scenario where the travel requirements within a conference aren't going to paralyze the other sports at that school.  They could get enough people out there to play to support the program, and if they're smart they'll continue to run a system gimmicky enough to slide into bowls.  They will never be consistently successful however.  Of course, the flip side is that the students/athletes get to go to school in Hawaii...

As for BYU, I don't think being an independent is a bad idea, especially if some conference is dumb enough to let them in for the other sports.  People forget that schools like Florida St., Miami, and Penn St were independents for a long time, and let's be honest FSU didn't build their brand playing Duke and Maryland every year so it's not as if conference affiliation is absolutely essential.  I personally think either the B12 or Mtn West will eventually implode and the last one standing will absorb the other schools...


Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: August 18, 2010 12:39 pm

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My guess is this is just an idiotic rumor.

It does not make sense for BYU to go independent.  Yes, the Mormon Church does follow them but that appeal is not like Notre Dame has with the Catholics.

Losing Utah did hurt the MWC but it will be made up by Boise State joining up next year.  The MWC will be the next BCS school (and yes, everything about the BCS sucks a$$). 

Putting their other sports in the WAC is a joke.  Without BSU the WAC is nothing.

As to the guy who said NM and CSU were going to the Big 12, you are high.  And, no way does the MWC want NMSU to join in.  That school is lucky to be in the WAC.

Since: Nov 6, 2008
Posted on: August 18, 2010 12:36 pm

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This new board really sucks...I hate this format

I think BYU should stay, this would be a huge mistake on their part. The Pac-10 didn't take them and that was their best shot, to go independent will only work if you have the clout to recruit and compete in all sports. As far as football is concerned....does anyone think BYU could navigate a Schedule that an independent would have to complete in football???

Use the Notre Dame model BYU, if they are having trouble what makes you think you can do it?

Since: Dec 22, 2008
Posted on: August 18, 2010 12:24 pm

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The PAC10 was willing to take Texas Tech IF they got Texas and OK. A bit different than just taking Texas Tech or BYU. No way schools like Texas Tech or BYU get in on their own. BYU is no slouch when it comes to education but the issue was real. They simply are not an elite research institution. Of the 63 member schools of the AAU, 7 (soon to be 8) are in the PAC10. The other 3 rank somewhere around Utah which is highly ranked by Carnegie and are in due to their geographic fit and rivalry with an AAU school.

Since: Sep 14, 2006
Posted on: August 18, 2010 12:15 pm

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College football is a FN joke!  Until there is some actual form of governing body to run all of college football it will stay that way.  119 university presidents that want only what's best for their school.  11 conference commisioners that want only what's best for their conference.  And nobody at the top that wants what' best for college football = 1 giant mess.  And the BCS still sux!

Since: Aug 7, 2010
Posted on: August 18, 2010 12:09 pm

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Horn, you are assuming that BYU could have a winning record if their schedule was much tougher.  Florida State and Boise State are teams you have to figure out before you tackle the SEC and Big 10.

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