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Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

Posted on: August 23, 2010 2:44 pm
 

You have to assume that BYU's schedule as an independent is not a problem. At least not as big a one as I believed in the beginning.

The Salt Lake City Tribune reported last week that it was a "done deal" that BYU's football program was going indy. You don't get that far down the road without having a reasonable idea that there will be enough teams to schedule. Whether the WAC lives or dies, there's still a chance to play four to six of the remaining teams. Notre Dame could be sprinkled in every now and then. Throw in the two service academies, Army and Navy. That still leaves, at least, four games remaining.

But, again, I'm going to assume BYU has that figured out.

The real reason that BYU is in Purgatory West, rather than the Mountain West at this point is TV revenue. It's no secret the administration is not satisfied with The Mtn., the league's four-year old network which has yet to turn a profit. BYU may be talking to ESPN for both carriage of some of its games and as a partner to line up opponents as an independent.

The questions might be: What kind of deal is ESPN willing to do with BYU as an independent vs. what kind of break MWC will give BYU in terms of television exposure outside The Mtn.

Another huge reason for BYU's waffling, it is becoming clear, is its BCS access. It can line up a schedule. It can get more games on ESPN. But the only way it gets closer to a BCS bowl without having to go back to the MWC hat in hand, is to get easier access to the BCS. I have reason to believe BYU and BCS parties have talked. Could it be about improved access? As an independent BYU, along with Army and Navy, would have worst access to a BCS bowl. Those three teams would have same access point: Ranked No. 1 or No. 2, automatic. Other than, no automatic access point. Those three teams would be eligible if they finished in the top 14 of the BCS. BYU finished No. 14, its highest BCS finish, in 2009 and still was trumped by Florida, Iowa and Boise State as at-large teams.

 Remember, there are only four available at-large spots (out of 10) for independents. The other six spots (seven if Notre Dame qualifies) are taken up by the BCS conference champions.

The feeling is that BYU would have gone independent and placed its minor sports in the WAC had Craig Thompson not plucked Fresno State and Nevada. Now BYU has to determine if it wants to put its minor sports in the WAC (what WAC?), the West Coast Conference or the MWC. In the case of the last option, it's doubtful the MWC would allow BYU to put its minor sports in its league if football was independent.

Right now, no one has full leverage. BYU can't find enough games, improved access or more television money at the moment. The MWC doesn't want to lose BYU because it might lose The Mtn. Thompson wouldn't confirm there is language in the contract that allows The Mtn. to dissolve if Utah and/or BYU leave. That, however, is the assumption.

We are in Day 5 of a strange standoff.

For entertainment purposes only here are BYU's games already scheduled through 2014 (source: San Jose Mercury News).

2011

Utah
Oregon State
Texas
Utah State
Games needed: 8

2012

Oregon State
Utah State
Boise State
Hawaii
Utah
Games needed: 7

2013

Texas
Boise State
Hawaii
Utah
Games needed: 8

2014

Texas
Boise State
Utah
Games needed: 9

Comments

Since: Jan 27, 2009
Posted on: August 25, 2010 3:08 pm
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

No, USC plays UCLA on rivalry weekend every year in a battle for L.A.

Notre Dame has many stron rivalries: Army, Michigan, and USC.  But I just believe they could use a legitimate rival for rivalry weekend.  All those other schools have more important rivalries to them.




Since: Dec 13, 2008
Posted on: August 24, 2010 10:26 pm
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

Did BYU expect to get a BCS bid over TCU who won the conference?  Utah the year before?  Last year for the first time ever 2 non AQ made a BCS game.  BYU's path to a BCS Game or NC game is clear, with BSU joining the MWC and Utah leaving, BEAT TCU, BEAT BSU and go to a BCS game, or when TCU beats you do not expect to go!



Since: Mar 15, 2009
Posted on: August 24, 2010 5:16 pm
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

correct me if im wrong but doesnt notre dame play usc on rivalry weekend every year?and who would anticipate notre dame byu?



Since: Apr 26, 2007
Posted on: August 24, 2010 5:14 pm
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

BYU has at least three Three MWC Championships.... WOW!!! Thats big time, and what do they have to show for it? Nothing?

2 million fans in the State of California Sorry but I live in southern california, and I never see BYU fans, EVER.  Get real... those are fans, they just went to school there and now came out west b/c they they don't wanted to be confined to the state of Utah.

NO, probably don't have that many, periodWrong again, easily 2 million fans in California.  They sell out half the rose bowl when they come down here to beat UCLA when they feel like it.

Utah's basketball legitimacy....has FSU been in the NCAA championship EVER, like Utah was in recent memory...hell, UNLV, UNM, and SDSU have all been up there more then I've ever seen FSU.But BYU has won nothing, nothing, nothing in basketball.  Outside of a couple of scares in the tournament they are never considered a legitimate threat.  Fresno was a threat at one point, get your facts straight.

sure you finally got a gutsy Wisconsin team to come play you, but only because ESPN promised them good money to do it, not because you could do it on your own....byu has done home and homes with big-time BCS programs for quite some time.....it's called a 67000 stadium with large percentage of the take along with TV money.If your only argument is money then your on the losing end.  What your saying is that money is the real factor, not talent or competition.  We've heard this argument before, so save it... b/c ESPN and all other stations will continue to preach it as the year goes on.

Does Florida St or Texas (home and homes with both this year and last for BYU) want to play in front of 35000 fans and get pennies for it....NO.  First of all, when did Florida St become a yard stick.  They haven't been relevant since I was 19, literally. Second, your talking money again, b/c you have no facts.  And why would Florida come to Fresno? I know, b/c Fresno has the best record against BCS schools by a mid-major in the modern era, more wins than BYU.

BYU WILL make A LOT more money on their own in football, the #s have been crunched, everyone knows that (of course, to you that must just be pitty money, not because they have any power....*roll eyes*), it's the league for other sports and BCS access that are holding this up, not $$ or power
Again, you go back to money... is that all you have? Really? No facts? Look, I think they are both nice programs, but they are what your making them.  They have one football national title and thats it.  They haven't been back since, nor really had a legit shot (kind of like fresno).

Fresno has put as many, if not more, players in both the NBA and the NFL than BYU so just deal with it. Here is an idea, add me to your list and we'll discuss then when the season starts... and be careful how your talking b/c they could EASILY be 0-3 out the gate.




Since: Dec 8, 2006
Posted on: August 24, 2010 4:36 pm
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

I'm a fan. This would be a cool belevie it or not. ha-ha... Like the name. They six possible top twenty five football programs. Three for sure ones. Basketball would be way competitive though. Who cares about the cost. The other 10 teams can borrow from BYU and Notre Dame for funds right? LOL




Since: Dec 8, 2006
Posted on: August 24, 2010 4:21 pm
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

Smiles. Come on bro. Ha-Ha... Sounds like you have a personal probelm with the religion to me. LOL... Who cares why they are wanting to go independent. The questions is will they or not and what is the impact on football teams that it effects? You're a Boise State fan. I am a loyal Boise State fan as well, but regardless of whether or not it only has to do with more money, or this religious spin you're putting on things, if they leave, we're screwed a little because the conference isn't as strong. The Mountain channell sucks, I'm not looking forward to not being able to watch half the games on ESPN every year and I think BYU should be able to broadcast it's football however they want too anyway. They're a private school.



Since: Jul 12, 2008
Posted on: August 24, 2010 3:04 pm
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

Uh, did you look at their 2012-2014 schedule?  They've signed up to play Boise St. each of those years.  Nice try, though. 



Since: Aug 24, 2010
Posted on: August 24, 2010 2:54 pm
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

I agree with you 100%. As an independent your goal is to a national championship. By going independent it would virtually be impossible, except for ND. They say they want more exposure. Of course. The CHURCH wants more exposure. That's what religions want. To spread their messsage. Sports is just their stepping stone.



Since: Aug 17, 2006
Posted on: August 24, 2010 11:46 am
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

BYU has not been able to get into the BCS as a member of the Mtn West, with an easier route than making it into the top 8 like Notre Dame...what makes them think they will possibly make it in as an independent?  Even if they get that same deal, it won't matter, they'll never get that high.



Since: Dec 13, 2006
Posted on: August 24, 2010 7:32 am
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

While I guess for "political correctness" reasons, everyone seems to be ignoring the elephant in the room, the LDS religion.

BYU is owned and operated by the LDS (Mormon) church.  The school exists to educate the church's young people and to spread their religious message.  While the team is funded by private donations (mostly from LDS faithful and alumni), the church has the final say in every decision.

BYU already has its own television network.  Now they can mix in sports programming with other academic and religious topics.  Sports now becomes "bait" to attract new viewers to whom they can add "marketing" (read, proselytizing) input.

I suspect that sports may be secondary in the whole decision making process.  Control over the broadcasting of the games, being able to choose announcers that will always put the best "spin" on the Mormon message, finding curious viewers to share religion, and keeping access to members worldwide; why have none of these topics been discussed?

To ignore these themes is to miss what I believe to be the real motivation for BYU to go independent.


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