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Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

Posted on: August 23, 2010 2:44 pm
 

You have to assume that BYU's schedule as an independent is not a problem. At least not as big a one as I believed in the beginning.

The Salt Lake City Tribune reported last week that it was a "done deal" that BYU's football program was going indy. You don't get that far down the road without having a reasonable idea that there will be enough teams to schedule. Whether the WAC lives or dies, there's still a chance to play four to six of the remaining teams. Notre Dame could be sprinkled in every now and then. Throw in the two service academies, Army and Navy. That still leaves, at least, four games remaining.

But, again, I'm going to assume BYU has that figured out.

The real reason that BYU is in Purgatory West, rather than the Mountain West at this point is TV revenue. It's no secret the administration is not satisfied with The Mtn., the league's four-year old network which has yet to turn a profit. BYU may be talking to ESPN for both carriage of some of its games and as a partner to line up opponents as an independent.

The questions might be: What kind of deal is ESPN willing to do with BYU as an independent vs. what kind of break MWC will give BYU in terms of television exposure outside The Mtn.

Another huge reason for BYU's waffling, it is becoming clear, is its BCS access. It can line up a schedule. It can get more games on ESPN. But the only way it gets closer to a BCS bowl without having to go back to the MWC hat in hand, is to get easier access to the BCS. I have reason to believe BYU and BCS parties have talked. Could it be about improved access? As an independent BYU, along with Army and Navy, would have worst access to a BCS bowl. Those three teams would have same access point: Ranked No. 1 or No. 2, automatic. Other than, no automatic access point. Those three teams would be eligible if they finished in the top 14 of the BCS. BYU finished No. 14, its highest BCS finish, in 2009 and still was trumped by Florida, Iowa and Boise State as at-large teams.

 Remember, there are only four available at-large spots (out of 10) for independents. The other six spots (seven if Notre Dame qualifies) are taken up by the BCS conference champions.

The feeling is that BYU would have gone independent and placed its minor sports in the WAC had Craig Thompson not plucked Fresno State and Nevada. Now BYU has to determine if it wants to put its minor sports in the WAC (what WAC?), the West Coast Conference or the MWC. In the case of the last option, it's doubtful the MWC would allow BYU to put its minor sports in its league if football was independent.

Right now, no one has full leverage. BYU can't find enough games, improved access or more television money at the moment. The MWC doesn't want to lose BYU because it might lose The Mtn. Thompson wouldn't confirm there is language in the contract that allows The Mtn. to dissolve if Utah and/or BYU leave. That, however, is the assumption.

We are in Day 5 of a strange standoff.

For entertainment purposes only here are BYU's games already scheduled through 2014 (source: San Jose Mercury News).

2011

Utah
Oregon State
Texas
Utah State
Games needed: 8

2012

Oregon State
Utah State
Boise State
Hawaii
Utah
Games needed: 7

2013

Texas
Boise State
Hawaii
Utah
Games needed: 8

2014

Texas
Boise State
Utah
Games needed: 9

Comments

Since: Dec 24, 2006
Posted on: August 24, 2010 3:10 am
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

Actually, they could get an auto bid as an independent by finishing in the top 4 , not just the top 2 No, they couldn't.  The BCS's "Top 4" rule says that a team in a BCS AQ conference that doesn't win its league's automatic bid is guaranteed an at-large spot by finishing in the Top 4 in the final BCS standings. Teams that are independent or in a non-AQ conference are not guaranteed anything by finishing #3 or #4.



Since: Sep 29, 2006
Posted on: August 24, 2010 1:03 am
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

Since when did the mormons garner so much weight?  All this talk about BYU and Utah is ridiculous... it BYU and Utah.  They will never play for a national championship in football, and most likely not in basketball for another 50 years.

These two schools aren't power players, not even among Mid-West or the West Coast.  Neither one is a football or basketball power that their fans and politicians would like to believe.
Yeah, you apparently are missing a lot of things....for instance any knowledge when it comes to BYU, or Utah for that matter.  But, you're a Fresno fan, so it's to be expected.  Let's see....when was the last time Fresno won a conference championship in football?  I think BYU has at least three since FSU even sniffed one.  Let's see....does Fresno have a mulitbillion dollar organization that runs free and clear of debt backing them, with a private TV network??  Does FSU have 2 million fans in the State of California (of course this is estimated by the media based on BYU's away games to the Pac10), even more than in their own state.....NO, probably don't have that many, period.  BYU's been ranked in the top 25 in basketball for 3 (for sure), actually 4 I believe, but we'll stick to 3 years straight.  Funny, I don't see the dogs up there much, if at all....and you then have the ignorance to question Utah's basketball legitimacy....has FSU been in the NCAA championship EVER, like Utah was in recent memory...hell, UNLV, UNM, and SDSU have all been up there more then I've ever seen FSU.  Can Fresno schedule home v homes with Texas, Pac10 schools, ACC schools, ND, etc like BYU....sure you finally got a gutsy Wisconsin team to come play you, but only because ESPN promised them good money to do it, not because you could do it on your own....byu has done home and homes with big-time BCS programs for quite some time.....it's called a 67000 stadium with large percentage of the take along with TV money.  No other mid-major has done it, because no other mid-major can. Does Florida St or Texas (home and homes with both this year and last for BYU) want to play in front of 35000 fans and get pennies for it....NO.  Obviously major networks have no problem scheduling BYU because they always get high ratings.....as described above, that's not what's holding up the deal here, it's the BCS contigency.  BYU WILL make A LOT more money on their own in football, the #s have been crunched, everyone knows that (of course, to you that must just be pitty money, not because they have any power....*roll eyes*), it's the league for other sports and BCS access that are holding this up, not $$ or power.  BYU's a brand that people recognize (unless ESPN, CBS, etc experts who've spoken about BYU's recognition are less in the know than you...lol) and have a fan base equal to or greater than a lot of BCS programs.  But keep thinking they're irrelevant, powerless, whatever.....you really need to get your facts straight.  All that said, I still have to say I love Pat Hill, and will always love FSUs mantra, "Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere", so I do respect FSU...I just think you don't have enough respect for BYU or Utah.



Since: Apr 26, 2007
Posted on: August 24, 2010 12:09 am
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

Did I miss something?? Did I miss something??

Since when did the mormons garner so much weight?  All this talk about BYU and Utah is ridiculous... it BYU and Utah.  They will never play for a national championship in football, and most likely not in basketball for another 50 years.

These two schools aren't power players, not even among Mid-West or the West Coast.  Neither one is a football or basketball power that their fans and politicians would like to believe.

BYU going independent is as much of a joke as Utah to the Pac-10... it makes no sense and will leave them wishing they never left.

Don't misundestand the comment, I like both programs, but all this talk = (1) creating college football stories b/c there are none right now and (2) media trying to get a small fry served at a 5-star restuarant. 

You can say what you want about Fresno all day, but the fact is, BYU is no better than them in football (and I know BYU has one championship), nor in basketball (if you look at history), and Fresno is a freaking Cal State. 

This talk should die along with expansion crap as a whole because the three major schools that just bolted and started this (Nebraska, Utah, and Colorado) will not win in the "new" conferences for at least 5 to 10 years.




Since: Jan 11, 2007
Posted on: August 23, 2010 7:25 pm
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

Did I miss something?? Did Utah and BYU come to an arrangement to start playing football again?It is all speculation, but a BYU v. Utah match-up most years is a pretty safe bet.  Based on comments from both schools, they would like to play each every year and with BYU going independant, the scheduling will be much easier.  It is commom for schools in the same state but from different conferences to play each other, think of the Florida schools or Iowa/ Iowa St. 



Since: Mar 12, 2008
Posted on: August 23, 2010 6:21 pm
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

Did I miss something?? Did Utah and BYU come to an arrangement to start playing football again?



Since: Mar 12, 2007
Posted on: August 23, 2010 6:17 pm
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

God's 12:

Notre Dame
BYU
Boston College
TCU
SMU
Duke
DePaul
St. Johns
Georgetown
Baylor
Loyola Marimount
St. Marys

Holy travel costs, Batman!

Do you really think St. Mary's wants to travel to Durham, NC for conference games in every sport? Do you really think Baylor wants to go up to Chicago? No. Never.



Since: Sep 14, 2006
Posted on: August 23, 2010 5:33 pm
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

Instead of focusing on the Service Acadamies, what if the major religious schools got together and formed a league. 

God's 12:

Notre Dame
BYU
Boston College
TCU
SMU
Duke
DePaul
St. Johns
Georgetown
Baylor
Loyola Marimount
St. Marys


Of course there are many other options.  This would be a pretty good basketball league, and a decent football league (although a few of those teams don't really "feild" a football team). 



Since: Sep 30, 2006
Posted on: August 23, 2010 5:06 pm
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

Actually, they could get an auto bid as an independent by finishing in the top 4 , not just the top 2



Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: August 23, 2010 4:59 pm
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

You sure BYU just isn't afraid of playing Boise St. in football?
I guess that is why BYU only scheduled Boise St in 3 of the next 4 years following this season.



Since: Aug 17, 2006
Posted on: August 23, 2010 4:54 pm
 

Have the BCS and BYU talked regarding access?

What a shame if a 11-1 service academy does not get invited to a BCS bowl. 


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