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Carolina has its guts ripped out

Posted on: September 3, 2010 12:11 pm
 

Not quite sure how many players typically travel to these neutral site games. For teams traveling to true road games, it's typically 60-70.

Working off that number, how does North Carolina field a representative team for the LSU game? Fifteen Tar Heel players did not travel on Friday when North Carolina left for Atlanta.

 Carolina is still trying to establish the eligibility of three players, the school said. Twelve are out for sure for "violating school and/or NCAA rules."

Among the 15 are defensive tackle Marvin Austin, receiver Greg Little and defensive end Robert Quinn (CBSSports.com's ACC preseason defensive player of the year).

 A quick check of the depth chart shows that at least seven starters could be missing. Certainly some second-level players are going to have to play significant minutes.

 I always like to check Las Vegas in situations like this. Amazingly, the line has moved from pick 'em when the game opened to LSU being a 7 1/2-point favorite.

 "There were rumblings over the last couple of days but now that you know who is in and who is out, they'll [sports books] put it up," said a Las Vegas Sports Consultants spokesman. LVSC provides the point spreads for a lot of the Vegas sports books. 

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douggie
Since: Dec 22, 2009
Posted on: September 7, 2010 1:04 pm
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Since: Jan 19, 2008
Posted on: September 4, 2010 2:19 pm
 

Carolina has its guts ripped out

I am sure, Carolina has done nothing that all the big time programs do. How many college students have a girl friend write a paper or get one off the internet, in all Universities. I am sure that all big time football powers, that have pro prospects, have agent sneaking around trying to get a committment from the players. The whole NCAA system is awful. The schools getting huge money from these athletes and the players live like paupers. There should be real minor leagues, for the NFL and NBA, have people like coach k and Saban coach in the pros and the young up and coming coaches coach the minor league teams in mobile al, oklahoma city, columbia sc in football and Raleigh nc, louisville ky and Hartford conn in basketball. Just have college athletes be individuals who want to go to college




Since: Sep 4, 2006
Posted on: September 4, 2010 11:00 am
 

Carolina has its guts ripped out

I think they are doing what they are doing because the NCAA is busting their chops not because they have any integrity. If they had integrity they would be recruiting integrity. I am sure this thing will involve a few players at other U's but this investigation was centered on UNC for a reason....they were the big players in it. And no not every U has kids jump on a plane and fly some where for a party weekend so please do not try the 5th grade, "well everybody does it" excuse. If you get caught speeding you were speeding, it doesn't matter how fast everyone else was going.You know the rules go by them.



Since: Dec 1, 2007
Posted on: September 4, 2010 7:57 am
 

Carolina has its guts ripped out

I only feel bad if it turns out some of the players actually were eligible.  The NCAA is like the IRS.  They condemn first and then sort it out later.  Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?  The same thing is going on with A.J. Green at UGA who supposedly was not at the party in Miami, but the NCAA is in no hurry to finish their investigation so the schools have no choice other than to sit players out.  I honestly feel that players have to know that they can't accept anything from an agent.  



Since: Sep 2, 2010
Posted on: September 4, 2010 6:15 am
 

Carolina has its guts ripped out

im a wake forest fan and we always play it by the books we truly do put academics first, we welcome investigations and do all our recruiting in broad daylight. There are schools who are out there who do play by the rules, they just dont contend for national championships anymore thats the level that the ohio st's, usc's and tarheels have brought it 2 and it usually starts with a scumbag coach. They should just throw the book at all of them, because it's these coaches who set the precedent for whats wrong with the game today they have brung it on them selves especially teams who won titles from teams who may have had 20 real eligible players(osu,usc,fsu) hit the guys who prospered the most 1st.




Since: Jun 30, 2010
Posted on: September 4, 2010 12:33 am
 

Carolina has its guts ripped out

Yesterday it was Carolina and today it is Carolina.  Why should South Carolina have the entire spotlight on them when North Carolina was primed for an awesome season that was supported by what thought was the best defense in college football.  Well that best defense will not get the expected test as numerous players will sit out of this game which includes as many as 7 starters on defense where 5 are projected as potential 1st and 2nd round draft picks next year.

The problem of NCAA violations and repercussions against athletes and schools is pervasive and is going no where.  These kids see the big bucks going to the schools and administration and they cannot go near a job with a decent summer salary as every employer is looked upon as a booster or conduit for some boosters.  So many of these kids get a taste of the good life and want it to continue.  For the most part, the feeding frenzy begins with that initial recruiting trip to the university chosen where the high school senior finds himself out partying with the finest women in the University that are hanging with the current football players that take over the recruiting trip to show what the night life will be and how women and status will be there for their every whim.  Fraternities do the same thing with the hotties during rush.

Then comes star power where those stars and their buddies find themselves the recipients of gratuities from pleased boosters that are still living vicariously thru the eyes of those football players and many times out to share that good time for all.  This week said it all with the search for the 50,000 diamond stud on a Miami Dolphins practice field when the net salary for that player is around $250,000.  He spend 20 percent of his salary on just the bling for his ears and that mentality starts with college gratuities.  Every Saturday post game interview when the college football players are dressed out come the diamond studs in both ears.  In college the players come to the realization that there really is a money tree and you just need to be in the right forest to find the right tree. 

It disgusts me that former players that are in the media will not admit what went on from that first clooge recruiting trip to the end of their NFL careers.  I know of a few for sure in broadcasting that had that benefit from that first college visit as they were not shy with sharing what transpired and how good a time they had.  Now the Universities are even getting their own TV networks and the revenue goes up to support all of the other non revenue generating sports.

Today it was carolina getting its guts ripped out and look how quickly it happened.  The NCAA uses the terms lack of institutional control.  There are not enough coaches, tutors, teachers to keep track of every player and booster.  Then a University would have to delve into family income and the relative stream from relatives as there may be legitimate gifts and you cannot assume wrongdoing when the appearance is a slippery slope until a matter is thoroughly vetted.  All of the BCS schools have a lack of institutional control as they do not have 24/7 oversight of all of the players.  The NCAA better start employing hundred and hundred more employees to manage future investigations as we live in a wireless era where there will be booster interference and improper payment to football players as long as the game continues.  The NCAA has always said they are paying for thei education and athletes should be greatful for that free education.  The discussion of financial stipends for collegiate athletes is long overdue.  One suggestion is that the amount of the stipend is determined and the boosters could then legally donate the money which would then be funneled thru the university to pay these athletes.



Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: September 3, 2010 11:57 pm
 

Carolina has its guts ripped out

At least Carolina is trying to be pro-active, and trying to clean it up.
You have got to be kidding with this comment.  Trying to be pro-active?  If you really believe this, you are one of the most deluded fans on this board.  There was nothing pro-active about UNC until AFTER the NCAA had found out about this as part of their other investigation.  What about that do you consider to be pro-active?



Since: Jun 16, 2010
Posted on: September 3, 2010 10:38 pm
 

Carolina has its guts ripped out

This is what happens when football players get overly confidence, then can do whatever they want and get away with it. Ha! Now that you have your chance to show your strength (other than men basketball), you wasted it.  When we UNC fans gets frustrated this season, you have no one else to blame than yourself.



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Since: Jul 5, 2010
Posted on: September 3, 2010 9:03 pm
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Since: Aug 31, 2006
Posted on: September 3, 2010 9:02 pm
 

Carolina has its guts ripped out

Yes, that comment about Butch Davis being a problem is just stupid.  He is one of the cleanest coaches in America (I am a GT fan BTW).  He really did clean up and turn around U of M football to the point of national championships.  Then Coker let if fall down again, now being built back up to clean and competitive (no real serious law issues under Shannon).

Like many have said, it is flat impossible for schools to monitor any student 24/7.  There are some things the coach and staff should be keenly aware of, such as attending classes, practices and such, but what they do with agents or off campus (or even on campus) is not anything that can be monitored, it cannot be done without violating human rights of the student or athlete.  UNC is correct in holding players from the game, lets they win and then have to vacate later for ineligible players.

They still could win, LSU isn't quite as powerful as early 2000s these days.

 



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