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Vince Young wins the 2005 Heisman!

Posted on: September 22, 2010 9:39 am
Edited on: September 22, 2010 12:16 pm
 

Since the Heisman folks won't re-vote, we did. Vince Young is the "new" winner of the 2005 Heisman.

Our college football crew went back five years (using the Hot Tub Time Machine) and reconsidered the candidates in light of Reggie Bush forfeiting his Heisman. There was no directive. Three of the six voters considered Bush. Typical of those was CBSSports.com college football production editor J. Darin Darst.

"In my opinion, Reggie Bush was the best player in the nation that year," Darst said.  "You can't tell me that amazing season didn't happen. It did, I remember it. I understand why Bush gave the Heisman back, but he never should have been pressured to return the award. I will always remember that Bush won the Heisman in 2005."

 We thought about inviting Young to Ft. Lauderdale for the award ceremony but the Heisman folks wouldn't part with the trophy. Besides, it still has Bush's name on it.

The numbers:
 
1. Vince Young, Texas, 26 points -- 4 first place votes
2. Reggie Bush, USC, 18 (2)
3. Matt Leinart, USC, 10
4. Brady Quinn, Notre Dame, 4
5. DeAngelo Williams, Memphis, 2
6. A.J. Hawk, Ohio State, 1

Based on top 3 -- 5-3-1 voting.

Voters: Dennis Dodd, national columnist; Darin Darst, college football production editor; Jason Horowitz, on-air talent; Adam Aizer, podcast talent; Tom Fornelli, blogger; Brian Stubits, editor.

Comments

Since: Jun 30, 2009
Posted on: September 23, 2010 10:49 am
 

Vince Young wins the 2005 Heisman!

Yeah he probably likes that ring. He seemed to follow the rules for that one so maybe he wont feel the need to give it back in 5 years.



Since: Sep 19, 2008
Posted on: September 23, 2010 10:23 am
 

Vince Young wins the 2005 Heisman!

That's O.K., I'm sure Reggie is please with his Superbowl ring



Since: Sep 17, 2009
Posted on: September 23, 2010 9:32 am
 

Vince Young wins the 2005 Heisman!

You and all of your like-minded buddies on here that are still claiming that Reggie Bush is the legitimate 2005 Heisman Trophy winner must be one brick short of a load.  First, let me say this, I watched Reggie Bush play in 2005 and yes, I think he was definately one of the best if not the best player in college football in 2005. 

However, the fact that he played and was good has no bearing on the current situation.  Once the NCAA declared him ineligible then returning the Heisman Trophy is a no-brainer.  I understand that the trophy is not an NCAA sanctioned award, but if a player is declared ineligible than any awards won by that player are null and void, as if he did not even play that year, because in the eyes of the NCAA, that is the case.

The fact that all of his former teammates have to suffer along with him is the real travesty in this situation.  The general public may never know all of the facts in this case, but of what has been made public, it is apparent that not only should Reggie have known what was taking place was illegal according to NCAA rules, but also members of the USC coaching staff knew what was going on and looked the other way.  The penalties for this stupidity should be levied against the player, the coaches and the athletic directors office, and not against the team.

The offenders should be penalized and part of that penalty should be some sort of payback to the University of Southern California, its' fans and most importantly the other players on that team.  If the other players did nothing wrong, they should not be penalized.

Furthermore, there should be no discussion regarding awarding the Heisman Trophy or any other awards which were recieved by Reggie Bush.  All of those awards should simply be vacated for that year and the record books indicate the reason why.  Vince Young and any fan or supporter of Vince Young may feel that he should be awarded this trophy, but he did not win it.  If the Heisman trust wants to re-vote for the award, that is their perogitive, but simply handing it to the next guy in line is not right.  If Reggie Bush had not played football at USC in 2005, there is no guarantee that Vince Young would have won the Heisman.

The underlying issue here is whether the NCAA has any legal right to do what they did.  When that organization makes a ruling on any rules violations, there is no real jurisprudence involved, just a bunch of stuffed shirts giving their opinions and majority rules.  Nothing has been proven or dis-proven in a court of law.   



Since: Sep 14, 2010
Posted on: September 22, 2010 7:40 pm
 

Bush is a POS

Bottom line bush is a POS crook and bandit. He gave it up before it was taken away. I know he doesnt care because he has the money. He could care less that people look at him as a POS and a bandit. But i am glad that they are not revoting or giving it to the second place man. I think the world should see the year with no winner listed to remind the world that it was voted on but the winner was a POS and a crook and that it was taken back.



Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: September 22, 2010 5:10 pm
 

Vince Young wins the 2005 Heisman!

I love this article because it shows just how pointless and fake voting for the Heisman trophy actually is.  First, if they went in with the assumption that Bush couldn't get it then why did they all still vote for him in their top 3?  If they were saying he was still elligible to win the trophy then there would have been no reason for a new vote.  In either case, there is no way Bush takes 2nd place.  Second, there were six people voting in this scenario.  Each person gets to vote for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, giving them a total of 9 points each.  6*9=54  But if you add up the points awarded there are 61.  That means either a 7th person got partial votes or the voters voted for 2 or 3 people in 2nd and 3rd place on their ballots.  Basically this article, just like the actual Heisman voting and trophy, is just a lot of hot air that has zero significance.




Since: Sep 2, 2010
Posted on: September 22, 2010 3:40 pm
 

Vince Young wins the 2005 Heisman!

And because..no matter how many times people call him an idiot, pointless, all this blah blah - you still read his articles, therefore, he still gets to write them.

It's like saying McDonald's has horrible hamburgers.. and you still go eat 'em. If you don't like what he has to say, don't read.




Since: Feb 25, 2008
Posted on: September 22, 2010 3:29 pm
 

Vince Young wins the 2005 Heisman!

Yeah, But what you don't understand is that it's not like he took steroids. That was his TALENT. Doesn't matter if he was illegal. He scored all those touchdowns and gained all those yards because of him. He deserved to win the Heisman and I still think he deserves it. He was clearly the better player than everyone else by a long way. He still is the better player than all of those other players in the voting. I get that it was illegal but everyone is making seem like reggie bush was never there. He was there, and he was very real. He IS and WILL BE the heisman winner of 2005.



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: September 22, 2010 2:43 pm
 

Vince Young wins the 2005 Heisman!

Sorry, Reggie Bush won it. You can't change the past on an award years after the fact. Brian Cushing, OK. I was fine with that re-vote, because it came out during that same season. Not so on Reggie Bush.



Since: May 21, 2009
Posted on: September 22, 2010 1:50 pm
 

Vince Young wins the 2005 Heisman!

No Bush won the heisman and just b/c he took some money doesnt erase the fact he was the best player that year. I didnt realize that money made his legs go....maybe if he got caught doing something that directly effected ghis perfomance then fine but he took money and that has no bearing on his abilities. And noone cares what idiot cbs writers care about b/c we read your articles and they are beyond stupid 90% of the time. Is it weird my 6 yr old knows more about football than these morons



Since: Nov 3, 2008
Posted on: September 22, 2010 12:48 pm
 

Vince Young wins the 2005 Heisman!

One thing was confirmed...Dodd is still a douchebag


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