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Report: Big East interest in TCU

Posted on: September 28, 2010 5:10 pm
Edited on: September 28, 2010 10:07 pm
 

Citing anonymous sources, the New York Post is reporting that the Big East is interested in adding TCU.

Forget the geographic ramifications. TCU plays in the Mountain West Conference, but is nowhere near mountains in the west. The Big East is probably willing to do anything, including adding a school from Texas, to keep itself relevant. The names of Temple and Villanova have already been tossed around as future additions, at least in football.

That said, I guess this makes some sort of sense if the Big East believes it can add a market in Dallas-Fort Worth. TCU basketball is, at best, struggling. Both entities, TCU and the Big East, would be desperate to have access to an automatic BCS bowl berth in the future. That would be a heck of commute, though, for the Rutgers volleyball team.

TCU coach Gary Patterson said via text he was "surprised" at the report. A message left for TCU AD Chris Del Conte was not immediately returned.

Comments

Since: Jan 15, 2007
Posted on: September 28, 2010 7:21 pm
 

Report: Big East interest in TCU

I'm sick of the constant criticism of the Big East.  Any conference can have a down year.  If you want a real surprise, go to  .  This is an SEC site, so it will not pump false data about how strong the Big East is.  In the Historical comparrison, (while Miami, BC, VT, and Temple were members of the conference) the Big East rates higher than all conferences 1: Big East .561  2:  SEC .560  3:  PAC 10 .530  4:  Big 8  .500 5:  ACC .491  6:  Big 12 .490  7:  Big 10 .470  8:  Southwest .444 and 9:  WAC .424.  This is all time records in all bowl games.

In the current conference alignment (records of teams in the respective conferences NOW!)  1:  SEC .532  2:  PAC 10 .528  3:  WAC .521  4:  ACC (Includes records of Miami, BC, and VT while they were members of the Big East)  .512   5:  Big East .500  6:  Big 10 .488 and 7:  Big 12 .485

I was shocked to see the Big East had the best all time bowl record of any conference.  In all fairness, that included records of Miami, BC and VT and that was when Miami was pretty strong.  Even without the Miami, VT, and BC records, along with Temple, which was once a member of the Big East until they were thrown out, the Big East still is ahead of the Big 10, and the Big 12 in their current alignments.  If conference expansion eliminates the Big East, and I feel that it probably will, some conferences will wind up with some additional good programs.  i'm tired of hearing about giving the Mountain West the Big East's BCS slot.  If the poweres that be want to include an automatice berth in the BCS for the Mountain West, go ahead and do it, but leave the Big East's automatic berth alone.  WVU has almost as many BCS Bowl wins as Boise State and TCU together.  Since 2005, WVU has 2 BCS Bowl wins by themselves.  I know Boise State and TCU have 3 in that period, but 1 was for Boise State beating TCU last year.  Granted both Boise State and TCU have made great strides over the past few years and probably deserve BCS berths, but in addition to and not at the expense of the Big East.

A Mountaineer in NW Arkansas



Since: Sep 20, 2009
Posted on: September 28, 2010 7:16 pm
 

Report: Big East interest in TCU

TCU should stay right where they are and play their hand slowly and see where the cards fall before they make this move the MWC may get a BCS birth or the Big 12 may come calling. I do not think conf shake ups are done at all. The Big East does have to do something but TCU is not the answer. Some other schools that make a logical choice are Marshal, ECU, Buffalo,Temple  but all these have issues and do not add much of course there is always the Holy Grail of working out some deal with ND but that would be a hail mary with almost zero chance.



Since: Sep 16, 2010
Posted on: September 28, 2010 7:10 pm
 

Report: Big East interest in TCU

 ATTENTION: BIG EAST DESPERATELY SEEKING A TEAM THAT CAN ACTUALLY PLAY FOOTBALL!!! please send resume to to Big East Dept. relevance. Wink



Since: Sep 28, 2010
Posted on: September 28, 2010 7:03 pm
 

Report: Big East interest in TCU

ncrdbl1, it's not like TCU can take a bus to play any current MWC teams and the ones that are going to be added - Nevada, Boise State and Fresno - are all further away than any current member institution.  I would think TCU would get at least $2,000,000 more per season from the TV contract alone than it gets from the MWC contract...  I have no idea what travel for a team costs, but even if it's $100 more per student-athlete per game if they joined the Big East than what they pay now, TCU would be better off (only considering this factor). 

I think the BE has to figure out if it's going to get rid of the non-football schools (Notre Dame aside), as scheduling could turn into a mess w/ any additions.  The good thing for TCU is basketball is probably the easiest program to turn around simply because you only need a few solid players.  Prior to Huggins, KSU sucked at hoops but now, they're pretty solid... 



Since: Jun 25, 2010
Posted on: September 28, 2010 6:54 pm
 

Report: Big East interest in TCU

This makes sense because the Big East is in a fight for survival.  It will lose at least one team to the Big Ten next summer and possibly others to the Big Ten, ACC, and SEC.  They need to add football teams or die.  The only other way for Big East football to survive is for them to either pick up teams from the Mountain West or Conference USA or pick the carcass of the Big Twelve.  The only problem with that is which conference (Big East Football or Big Twelve) dies first and which one lives by picking off the carcass of the other.  And then they will have to take what's left after the ACC and SEC feed off the same list of teams.




Since: Jun 25, 2010
Posted on: September 28, 2010 6:50 pm
 

Report: Big East interest in TCU

This makes sense because the Big East is in a fight for survival.  It will lose at least one team to the Big Ten next summer and possibly others to the Big Ten, ACC, and SEC.  They need to add football teams or die.  The only other way for Big East football to survive is for them to either pick up teams from the Mountain West or Conference USA or pick the carcass of the Big Twelve.  The only problem with that is which conference (Big East Football or Big Twelve) dies first and which one lives by picking off the carcass of the other.  And then they will have to take what's left after the ACC and SEC feed off the same list of teams.



Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: September 28, 2010 6:42 pm
 

Report: Big East interest in TCU

Why not?
The Big East already has teams in Milwaukee (Marquette),  Chicago (DePaul),  and Tampa, FL (South Florida) ....all of them are about 700-1000+ miles from the farthest north/east teams of Newark/Syracuse.  These teams compete in various sports Basketball, Baseball, Tennis, Volleyball, etc.   So geographically it's not really that big of a stretch to Fort worth which is about 1200 miles.

Financially while the Big East is currently easily lowest earning of the BCS conferences, it's teams still make significantly more than those in the Mountain West.  And that can only grow by adding a Texas market,  which would be a very big plus when they move forward with their Big East network plan.

Football wise the Big East is a BCS conference,  the MWC is not.  This isn't about performance...this is just a fact.  With the loss of BYU and Utah that is not likely going change.  Honestly who can the MWC possibly add that they might merit consideration for a BCS conference?   Nobody that I can see.  Not unless there is a complete collapse of the Big 12.  And even then it's not really a sure thing.

Really the only reasons the TCU wouldn't jump at this opportunity is if:

A)  Think they can get an invite from the SEC (Don't meet Big10 criteria,  Big 12 has no need for another Texas team unless they lose both Texas + A&M which would probably drop them to lowest earning conference anyways) if the SEC becomes a 16 team super conference.

B)  Value baseball and cross country that highly.   (Big East has both sports,  but due to the locations of schools the weather is fairly sucky.  And the conference isn't exactly known for usually being good in either sport.)





Since: Oct 30, 2006
Posted on: September 28, 2010 6:37 pm
 

Report: Big East interest in TCU

I hope it happens. Many on this board show their ignorance of football. I'll admit that the Big East is down this this season, but the Big East was rated very highly last year and has won 3 BCS bowls in recent years (including bootstompings of Georgia and Oklahoma). The ACC can't say that. The gap isn't that small. Most of the programs are on the rise and they've invested heavily in facilities. While the tradition is shallow in many programs, there is promise. So adding a great team like TCU would be a good move. 

That said, the travel would be tough on most teams. But the money would certainly be there to make it happen.



Since: Jan 14, 2009
Posted on: September 28, 2010 6:32 pm
 

Report: Big East interest in TCU

If TCU went Big East in all sports the BCS payout that the Big East has wouldn't come close to covering the additional expense the school would incur.



Since: Dec 15, 2008
Posted on: September 28, 2010 6:20 pm
 

Report: Big East interest in TCU

The Big East is dead in the water as far as football is concerned. Adding Villanova and Temple add something to the basketball program but nothing for football. TCU would be better served staying in the MWC with BSU, Air Force, Nevada than jumping to the Big East. Perhaps the Pac 10/12 comes calling in the months to come.


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