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SI piece blows the lid off agent biz

Posted on: October 12, 2010 3:59 pm

The new Sports Illustrated piece up now ("Confessions of an agent") is a stunning piece of investigative journalism that blows the lid off the slimy agent biz.

There are multiple claims made by former agent Josh Luchs that he paid players and provided extra benefits before getting out of the business. At first glance it appears that the payments are outside of the NCAA's four-year statute of limitations. I took bylaw 32.6.3 directly from the NCAA Manual. Look specifically at (b) and (c) that the NCAA can prosecute a case if there is "a pattern of willful violations on the part of the institution or individual involved..." and "blatant disregard for the Association's fundamental recruiting, extra-benefit, academic or ethical-conduct regulations."

Former Ohio State receiver Santonio Holmes seems to come closest to the four-year statute. Luchs says in the piece he flew to Columbus in November 2005 to meet with Holmes who Luchs says told him, "Listen, I want to save you the time. We don't need to meet. I've been taking money from [an agent] the last couple years, and he's been taking care of my family too."

If Luchs was telling the truth that's less than five years ago. In this case it seems that (c) is most applicable from the NCAA bylaw. If the NCAA wants to pursue this they have a year from, basically, today to do it. The Ohio State compliance office is looking into allegations made in the story.

Here's the NCAA bylaw:

32.6.3 Statute of Limitations. Allegations included in a notice of allegations shall be limited to possible
violations occurring not earlier than four years before the date the notice of inquiry is forwarded to the institution
or the date the institution notifies (or, if earlier, should have notified) the enforcement staff of its inquiries into
the matter. However, the following shall not be subject to the four-year limitation:

(a) Allegations involving violations affecting the eligibility of a current student-athlete;

(b) Allegations in a case in which information is developed to indicate a pattern of willful violations on the part
of the institution or individual involved, which began before but continued into the four-year period; and

(c) Allegations that indicate a blatant disregard for the Association’s fundamental recruiting, extra-benefit, academic
or ethical-conduct regulations or that involve an effort to conceal the occurrence of the violation. In
such cases, the enforcement staff shall have a one-year period after the date information concerning the matter
becomes available to the NCAA to investigate and submit to the institution a notice of allegations concerning
the matter.

Category: NCAAF
Tags: NCAA, Ohio State

Since: Jan 25, 2007
Posted on: October 14, 2010 2:12 pm

SI piece blows the lid off agent biz

Thats exactly what I said, the man never paid Santonio holmes, he paid nate holmes.  Thats why he stated that if it was 10 years earlier he would have doubled what he was paying him.  So like i said he never paid Santonio Holmes.  Idk if you misunderstood what I wrote, or I misunderstood your conversation with the other man, but once again if you read the article he never paid Santonio. 

Since: Oct 12, 2010
Posted on: October 13, 2010 11:07 pm

SI piece blows the lid off agent biz

My, how they circle their wagons now that it is Ohio State involved and not
USC.  One rule for the west coast school, a teachable moment for
everybody else.

Since: Oct 20, 2006
Posted on: October 13, 2010 11:05 pm

SI piece blows the lid off agent biz

You message is full of holes that I could drive a truck through - get your facts correct

Since: Aug 30, 2007
Posted on: October 13, 2010 5:37 pm

SI piece blows the lid off agent biz

You are actually the idiot. The article clearly states.....In November 2005, Steve and I flew to Ohio State to talk to receiver Santonio Holmes. We met him outside the football building, and he said, "Listen, I want to save you the time. We don't need to meet. I've been taking money from [an agent] the last couple years, and he's been taking care of my family too."

Read more:

So, get your facts straight before you come online and call people names. Talk about simple.

Since: Oct 11, 2007
Posted on: October 13, 2010 3:30 pm

SI piece blows the lid off agent biz

I noticed at one point that someone felt that the Reggie Bush/USC situation should be lessened bu how wide spread this is. The fact is that it is wide spread and on every Div. 1 program there is something going on, I've seen it first hand on multiple campuses. What different between the USC situation and what is written in this article is what the University knew and how the agents did it. If you notice he speaks of giving small incriments of cash or money order. If you are a university how are you going to police that you can't. Now in the case of USC and I expect Miami soon is that it's not a small amount and it's not hidden. Reggie was given Money, a car and a $800,000 house and he wasn't the only one. If you happen to be on the USC campus during that time (which I was a few times) you would have to ask yourself how can so many players from less than fortunate situations be driving around in new Mercedes and Range Rovers, and how can the school not notice it. Reggie Bush even posed for a cover of a mag with his car while still in school. Pete Carrol when questioned about this said that when he saw the car he didn't think about where he got it or how much it cost. Sorry Pete but that's part of your job to atleast have someone look into it.
Now on to the NCAA Reggie was an easy target that they couldn't overlook once it was made public. If they were really investigating USC it would have been SMU all over again, because that's how many players were taking money and the school was in on it.

Since: Jan 25, 2007
Posted on: October 13, 2010 3:10 pm

SI piece blows the lid off agent biz

Your both wrong and right.  he said he paid Nate Holmes a Portland State player, and he tried to sign Santonio Holmes, but he already had a previous agreement to sign elswhere.  In the end you are both idiots because you couldnt pick out the simplest information out of this article.  Stop bickering and realize your both wrong and re-read it.  Geeze you guys are thick headed

Since: Feb 2, 2010
Posted on: October 13, 2010 1:16 pm

SI piece blows the lid off agent biz


As long as Kiper isn't lying about it though, I don't have a problem with it.  In the article Luchs notes that when the agent made a pitch to a player he conveniently ignored all the players whose stock had gone down with him.  What reason do we have to believe he wouldn't do the same with regards to Kiper?  He wouldn't use that as part of his sell if it wasn't going to benefit the deal.  If Kiper believed the guy was whatever number at whatever position and tells the player as such, there's nothing wrong with that.

If he delibertatly manipulates his rankings to benefit certain agents, it would be apparent and discoverable.  Until someone comes up with some evidence to support that, I don't have any reason to believe that is the case.  The fact is his insight is often very good and is backed by tons of research.  If his predictions were atrociously off and misinformed somebody better would take his place.

Since: Aug 25, 2006
Posted on: October 13, 2010 12:34 pm

SI piece blows the lid off agent biz

The Kiper thing bugs me. He has to know that when he talks people listen, and even if someone didn't get drafted at the same number he predicted, they still got drafted. Getting first-hand confirmation that Kiper is aware of the player and thinks they've got a future in the no fun league can tip the scales in a lot of ways. Kiper's not going to change, and maybe he shouldn't. But for him to call Mike and Mike today, and breathlessly go on about how he's done nothing wrong, isn't going to change anything, and ultimately doesn't determine where a person is drafted (and didn't he sound 'holier than god' when he was running on). Simple fact is he's a voice of authority and, when he makes a planned phone call to a meeting between an agent and a college player, it's going to have an effect on the player's decision on what agent he wants to go with (I'll take the 'connected' one), on whether he wants to turn pro instead of playing out his college eligibility, and on how hard the agent is going to push to get the player to sign.
Kiper has to know this, cause he's not stupid. He also knows that making connections with agents is how he can get to learn more about college students. He's playing both sides when he says he needs to do this to get best information - meaning he knows this has an influence on the kid and the agent, and may ultimately affect whether the kid even enters the draft.
Finally, if anyone ever thought that Mike and Mike were in any way actually objective sports journalists and not simply company shills, their failure to ask even one follow-up question of Kiper after he went off on his harangue proves different.

Since: Jan 9, 2007
Posted on: October 13, 2010 12:30 pm

SI piece blows the lid off agent biz

No, wait people (some of you morons), i thought Reggie Bush was the only person to ever ever take money from an agent?!
LOL, this wahy it was a JOKE and a travesty Bush gave back his heisman. All (MOST) of these kids get paid. To single out Reggie Bush this past year, is hypocitical, witchhunting, and wrong. Im sure Barry Bonds was the onylo steriod user over the last 2 years in baseball also.
Retardeness. Starts with the media, and trickles into the general population, where 60% of people are couch potato idiots.

Since: Aug 18, 2010
Posted on: October 13, 2010 11:29 am

SI piece blows the lid off agent biz

Both the agent and Kiper were interviewed on Mike and Mike this morning.  The agent was interviewed first and did not say that Kiper did anything wrong, but that agents were using him to sound more connected.  Kiper came on and talked about Wilchard (sp) and told where he ranked Wilchard's people and where they were actually drafted.  There surely did not seem like any wrongdoing was taking place as many of these athletes were drafted much higher than Kiper had them on his board.  Everyone uses everyone, and that is how everything sounded. 

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