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Cameron Newton's eligibility issues

Posted on: November 12, 2010 1:33 pm
 
There are now at least three people on the record saying they have knowledge of Cecil Newton soliciting money for his son Cameron to attend Mississippi State.

There is a lot of stuff out there right now about Newton being ineligible at the moment at Auburn. Not entirely true, according to information received Friday from the NCAA.

My question to the NCAA: If a person related to a prospective student-athlete solicits money for that student-athlete at a certain school then that student-athlete is ineligible. Is that true no matter where he signs?

This e-mail came back from NCAA spokesperson Stacey Osburn: Generally speaking, eligibility issues are tied to the student-athlete, not the school. So if a student-athlete is ineligible at one school and then transfers to a second school, the school the student-athlete transferred to would need to seek reinstatement.

I then reiterated my question saying a "prospective" student-athlete -- in other words a recruit -- not a "transfer".

Osburn came back with: Correct.

USA Today
got much the same response when it asked a similar question of Osburn.

In Friday's editions the paper stated, "Even if Newton received no money to attend Auburn, soliciting money can be an NCAA violation jeopardizing Newton's eligibility."

To me, all this means that Cam Newton isn't a slam dunk to be found ineligible at Auburn as some seem to think at this point. It doesn't look good, I'll give you that, but consider the Albert Means case. The former five-star Memphis prospect was being shopped around by his high school coach Lynn Lang. Means committed to Alabama, but ended up playing at Memphis. I suspect the fact that it was his coach and not a family member, that was a mitigating circumstance.

In this case ...  

1) First, it has to be proven that Newton's father was asking for money at Mississippi State. We're not there yet but as mentioned, at least three folks say he did.

2) Second, it has be determined whether Cecil Newton asked anyone at Auburn for money. If he did, whether Cameron knew or not, that pretty much seals the deal.

3) If Cecil Newton didn't ask Auburn, then we're back to Osburn's "generally speaking" response that the eligibility issues would be tied to the student-athlete. In other words, Newton could be ineligible at Auburn but it is not certain.

Here is the NCAA bylaw (10.1 unethical conduct) that seems to govern this situation ...

 
Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member
(e.g., coach, professor, tutor, teaching assistant, student manager, student trainer) may include, but is not limited
to, the following: 
 
(a) Refusal to furnish information relevant to an investigation of a possible violation of an NCAA regulation
when requested to do so by the NCAA or the individual’s institution;
 
(b) Knowing involvement in arranging for fraudulent academic credit or false transcripts for a prospective or an
enrolled student-athlete;
 
(c) Knowing involvement in offering or providing a prospective or an enrolled student-athlete an improper inducement
or extra benefit or improper financial aid; (Revised: 1/9/96)
 
(d) Knowingly furnishing or knowingly influencing others to furnish the NCAA or the individual’s institution false or misleading information ...
 
 
Violations of 10.1 are enforced as follows:
 
10.4 Disciplinary Action
 
Prospective or enrolled student-athletes found in violation of the provisions of this regulation shall be ineligible
for further intercollegiate competition, subject to appeal to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for
restoration of eligibility.




Obviously, Auburn is comfortable enough to put the quarterback on the field. Auburn coach Gene Chizik said this week that Newton will start against Georgia.

 
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Since: Jun 11, 2009
Posted on: November 12, 2010 2:26 pm
 

Cameron Newton's eligibility issues


BTW, Chris, I think you're splitting hairs on this one (ie: "transfer" vs "recruit" improper benefits).

I'll openly admit that I believe the kid or his dad (more likely) got money for him to attend the university of auburn.

Any school being reasonably concerned about the rules would've already have benched him and asked the NCAA for re-instatement just to be safe.



Since: Jun 11, 2009
Posted on: November 12, 2010 2:22 pm
 

Cameron Newton's eligibility issues


Think about it;  Stoops and OU are still in the NCAA repeat violator window while Kiffin/USC have an appeal pending on some of the most severe sanctions ever handed down by the NCAA.

Even if anything DID occur at either Oklahoma or USC regarding Newton's recruitment, neither of them want to be in the same area code with this train crash as it might directly affect either/both of them right now.



Since: Sep 5, 2009
Posted on: November 12, 2010 2:19 pm
 

Cameron Newton's eligibility issues

wrong - it would mean he is an ineligible athlete / recruit to play anywhere.  It's an NCAA violation, not an MSU or Auburn violation.  Think of the NCAA as a clearinghouse.  You play by their rules to even be able to to then have the opportunity to violate university rules.



Since: Nov 12, 2010
Posted on: November 12, 2010 2:16 pm
 

Cameron Newton's eligibility issues

There is no verbiage in the NCAA's rules that preclude asking for money.  Note the rule provided by Dodd:

Here is the NCAA bylaw (10.1 unethical conduct) that seems to govern this situation ...

 
Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member
(e.g., coach, professor, tutor, teaching assistant, student manager, student trainer) may include, but is not limited
to, the following: 
 
(c) Knowing involvement in offering or providing a prospective or an enrolled student-athlete an improper inducement
or extra benefit or improper financial aid; (Revised: 1/9/96)


 
It does not provide that someone cannot request, only offering or providing a prospective student athlete.  This is not going to make him ineligible.




Since: Sep 29, 2007
Posted on: November 12, 2010 2:13 pm
 

Cameron Newton's eligibility issues

Is the fact that he was a "transfer" student the loophole Auburn is using here?  Or is this really more of a MSU mess that to me reeks of sour grapes on the MSU side.  Yes, there are 3 people claiming Cecil Newton asked for money, but those three are all in the same line of people at MSU that alleged all this in the first place.  Right? 

Now, I could be way way way wrong but this is starting to remind me of Duke Lacrosse just a little bit.  A lot of accusations lacking substance and people trying to fill in the blanks to justify their position one way or another.  Also, have you heard Rogers interview?  Good grief, he sounds like an idiot.  This is one hell of a soap opera.



Since: Oct 12, 2010
Posted on: November 12, 2010 2:04 pm
 

Cameron Newton's eligibility issues

"Generally speaking, eligibility issues are tied to the student-athlete, not the school. So if a student-athlete is ineligible at one school and then transfers to a second school, the school the student-athlete transferred to would need to seek reinstatement."
How do  you get the opposite of what this says?  That means Newton is ineligible at Auburn if his Dad sought money from MSU for his son's playing time.   





Since: May 5, 2008
Posted on: November 12, 2010 1:56 pm
 

Cameron Newton's eligibility issues

what I am finding funny...

Bob Stoops is saying he saw nothing funny in recruiting Newton
and then Lame Kitten saying he saw nothing funny while at Tennessee

could LAME want Auburn to win out so they can beat Oregon???




Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: November 12, 2010 1:56 pm
 

Cameron Newton's eligibility issues

You were all good until that last sentence starting with, "And unless the NCAA declared him 'ineligible".

That makes your post contradictory to what the rule says.

1st, the NCAA doesn't have to declare an athlete ineligible for their ineligibility to follow them, it follows them automatically. Thus if you do something to make yourself ineligible you will be automatically ineligible at your new school, unless the new school requests for you to be ruled ineligible.

2nd, so if Cam was ruled ineligible for actions related to Miss St. then he would be ineligible to play at Auburn.



Since: May 5, 2008
Posted on: November 12, 2010 1:54 pm
 

Cameron Newton's eligibility issues

Newton did not transfer from MSU to Auburn

he would be a recruit

thus he is NOT cleared at Auburn automatically

+++

and do you really think MSU was the only place his dad asked for money??

sort of grasping at straws I would say

although STATE is out in the boon docks...



Since: Mar 7, 2007
Posted on: November 12, 2010 1:43 pm
 

Cameron Newton's eligibility issues

"soliciting money for his son Cameron to attend Mississippi State"

Yep. It means he would be ineligible to play at Mississippi State.  And unless the NCAA declared him 'ineligible' before he transferred to Auburn and money was not solicitated for the Auburn transfer, he continues to be eligible to play for Auburn.


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