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USC almost certain to lose '04 title

Posted on: May 26, 2011 12:41 am
Edited on: May 26, 2011 8:50 am

It now seems a certainty that USC will vacate its 2004 BCS title after losing its appeal of crippling NCAA penalties.'s Bryan Fischer reported Wednesday that USC had been notified that the NCAA had rejected the school's appeal. An official announcement from the NCAA is expected on Thursday.

The BCS has maintained for months that it would vacate the title only after the case was concluded.  More than five years since Yahoo! Sports broke the story of Reggie Bush's extra benefits, the case now seems finished. USC AD Pat Haden is expected to say Thursday that the school will take no further action.

BCS executive director Bill Hancock told reporters in July, "If USC loses the appeal, the [2004] championship will be vacated. And the feeling is in our group, the commissioners group, is that there was not a game, no game happened."

Hancock added at the time, "They [commissioners] will vacate, they will not elevate anyone," referring to the 12 school presidents who make up the BCS Oversight Committee.

"The presidents could decide to do something else, but I think it's most likely that they will vacate it."

Early Thursday, Hancock reiterated that no other team would be elevated to win the BCS title. "It would simply be vacated," he said in an email.

Prior to the NCAA's official release of the appeal denial, Hancock also said Thursday: "If, at the conclusion of the NCAA’s process, it is determined that an ineligible athlete participated in one of the BCS games, then the commissioners and Presidential Oversight Committee members will consider whether vacation of the team’s participation in a BCS game—or vacation of the championship, in this case—is warranted. There is no set timetable for the group’s consideration of the matter, but I expect it would happen sooner, rather than later."

If they decide to take action, the oversight committee's decision would most likely be unanimous. If USC loses its title it would mark the first such occurrence in college football since at least the beginning of the wire service era in 1936. USC is expected to keep its '04 title in the AP poll. Instead, it would essentially be stripped of its final No. 1 ranking in the coaches' poll. The winner of the BCS title game is mandated to finish No. 1 in the final version of that poll.

On June 10, the NCAA vacated 14 victories from USC's 2004 and 2005 seasons as part of the penalties stemming from the Bush investigation. Bush essentially competed while ineligible for two seasons because he had taken money and benefits from marketers trying to win him as client when he turned pro.

Because the NCAA doesn't stage a championship in Division I-A football, it has no control over the BCS championship process. 

The Football Writers Association of America last year stripped USC of the '04 title and asked the school to return its Grantland Rice Trophy that goes with the honor. The Heisman Trust vacated Bush's winning of the 2005 Heisman Trophy. 

Category: NCAAF

Since: Sep 7, 2010
Posted on: May 30, 2011 11:53 pm

USC almost certain to lose '04 title

after reading a few more posts it is obvious that the normal SEC fan is not arrogant.  blind ignorance is more like it. sorry SEC the last 5  NC games a as false as they get. having the people in charge of college football lie and cheat for you does not actually mean your team is good.

Since: Sep 7, 2010
Posted on: May 30, 2011 11:47 pm

USC almost certain to lose '04 title

oh yes... this would make perect sense. if i recall it was only last year the BCS allowed 5 (that i know of) play in a game when they were illegal. If the BCS had any credibillity left  after their fiesta problems i  might be worried. Trojans would be better off to return it and disassociate itself from the cancers of college football. the bcs ha! i swear you could not write this script.

Since: Aug 7, 2008
Posted on: May 29, 2011 12:45 am

USC almost certain to lose '04 title

Not only should the low down con school of USC should loss there 2004 NCAA football title but they should take football and basketball away for at least 5 to 10 years and then for sure you will see USC and there low down fans cry like babys for forgiveness.

Since: Sep 10, 2007
Posted on: May 28, 2011 3:41 am

USC almost certain to lose '04 title

When questioned about why there is no national playoff system in Division I football, the NCAA told congress that it has nothing to do with the BCS. This is stated vven though it authorizes the BCS to operate. 
It would serve the BCS committee well to ignore what ever the NCAA says about USC. That way congress can't come down hard on the NCAA and link them with the BCS.

The BCS is mythical anyway without a playoff system.

Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: May 28, 2011 2:52 am

USC almost certain to lose '04 title

USC will still be shown as the AP champion in  2003 when they beat Michigan and finished #1  as well as 2004. That was the year LSU played in the JV game against Oklahoma NOBODY watched. 
Auburn did get win last year against Oregon even though the final stats were even. Oregon held Auburn to 22 points which is less then any SEC defense could do. Oregon makes two blocks on Fahey on goalline situations and they win the game going away. But Auburn did win and I give them credit. 

The Pac 10 has simply won more games in head to head competition against the SEC since the start of the BCS. This is a fact. Meanwhile the conference is getting stronger and stronger and now they have the money.

By the way USC owns LSU in head to head competition and national championships.  Grow up     &nb

Since: Sep 18, 2007
Posted on: May 27, 2011 8:04 pm

USC almost certain to lose '04 title

You can smell a crybaby Pac 12 troll a mile away.  The BCS is the current system that we have in place and is much better than the Media "voting" the Champion.  You are also a member of the BCS, no one forced you to participate.  You only say this because the SEC has won over half (7 of 13) and 5 BCS NCG in a row.  You have the same opportunity to participate in the NCG at the start of the season as any of the other teams... your Conference just sucks.  At the start of every season, it is the goal of every D-I school to play in the NCG.  Sour Grapes?

BTW, it is the Pathetic 10 (12) and the Big 10 that refuses to even discuss a Playoff.  You guys are scared that any Playoff format might allow even more SEC teams into the final field and give us a greater opportunity to win.  Ex:  If there was a 16 team field... looking at the Final Top 25 for the past 5-10 seasons or so the SEC dominates the rankings.  Cry us a River, will you? 

Since: Aug 18, 2010
Posted on: May 27, 2011 4:48 pm

USC almost certain to lose '04 title

Yes, most fans will remember that USC won that game on the field, but they will also remember the probation that followed.  Do you ever hear anyone talk about how good Dickerson and James were on the field together at SMU.  Nope, it is just the probation that followed.  USC was a fun team to watch and I don't really care if they strip the title or not, but it will hurt their credibility with many people.  As far as Auburn goes, I have no pity for them either.  If they would have played a better nonconference schedule, they may have been in the title game, but they choose to play all patsies.  That is what you get.

Since: Nov 6, 2006
Posted on: May 27, 2011 10:46 am

USC almost certain to lose '04 title

I disagree with you they never won on the field because they never played the best team. This was the year that Auburn was truely shafted by the BCS they had the best team and went undefeated and never got to play for the title they should have been there. Ronnie Brown, Cadilac Williams, Jason Campbell and company. They went undefeated in the toughest conference and never got a shot that was a terrible move by the BCS.

Since: Jan 9, 2008
Posted on: May 27, 2011 9:45 am

USC almost certain to lose '04 title

eh, getting stripped of the title isn't that big of a deal since nobody truly wins a championship in FBS anyways.  

Since: Aug 17, 2006
Posted on: May 27, 2011 9:28 am

USC almost certain to lose '04 title

Justice Delayed is just a joke.     OK they won on the field in January of 2005 and the talk of Reggie Bush and the "reduced rent house" were swirling then.    Now 6 and 1/2 years later they want to strike it from the history books?    Big whoop.   They already got six recruiting classes out of the championship, it has been celebrated, and everyone, except some journalists and fans from rival schools, will forget it was not a national championship.   If it happens within a year or two that is OK, the some of the students are still there, Reggie Bush might not have gotten to date smoking hot reallity stars, and have such an awesome life.  

The players serving the penalty were not there,  the current head coach happened to be an assistant at the time, most of the coaching staff was not there then, the AD has changed, and the agent (s?) who gave Reggie's family the deal was probably not motivated by love of USC but of a big percentage of Reggie's NFL payday.   I understand the "lack of instituitional control" thing but deliever a punishment while someone suffers who was actually guilty of something.   

And it was Reggie and his family that benefited, playing two agents against each other, and not so much USC.    If the NCAA is going to have these silly rules to keep poor kids from profiting from college football or cashing in early on the potential professional big pay day then please take a whole lot less than six years to deliever the justice.  

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