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USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

Posted on: June 6, 2011 6:09 pm

Ohio State, you're next.

 Well, maybe, but the non-story that was the BCS finally and absolutely vacating USC's 2004 title on Monday does have implications colored Scarlet and Gray. The way things are trending in Columbus, Ohio State could be the next to vacate a BCS bowl win. A BCS source told me that the same standard would hold for Ohio State if it was forced to vacate this year's Sugar Bowl: Wait until the case is decided and all appeals are exhausted.

 Admittedly, the stakes would be a bit smaller but no less embarrassing. A national championship wasn't involved in Ohio State's 31-26 win over Arkansas. Six players mysteriously reinstated for the bowl somehow were. Five of those six players were key contributors in the win. At issue is how many of those victories will end up standing when the NCAA is through with Ohio State.

 Those six players were cleared by the NCAA to play that particular game but this case has miles to go -- no pun intended re: Terrelle Pryor loaners -- before it is finalized.

 And, no, that doesn't mean Arkansas becomes Sugar Bowl champion if Ohio State vacates. Just like USC in 2004, if the Buckeyes vacate, there likely will be no 2011 Sugar Bowl champion in the BCS' eyes.

 USC is believed to be the first team in the wire service era (since at least 1936) to have a national championship removed. 

Category: NCAAF
Tags: BCS, NCAA, Ohio State, USC

Since: Mar 30, 2011
Posted on: June 7, 2011 12:01 pm

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

You said it yourself, the NCAA was aware of the violations and allowed the players to play with conditions.  If the players honor their side of the agreement and not leave OSU, the NCAA can't revoke the game.  Stop wishing Laughing

Since: Jun 4, 2008
Posted on: June 7, 2011 11:25 am

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

They have averaged about 9 wins a year over the last decade.  That's pretty consistent near the top of the Big 10.

Since: May 23, 2011
Posted on: June 7, 2011 11:24 am

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

who cares about kids taking a little fun money.  I dont begrudge them that and I dont care about stupid rules.  oh no they broke a rule.  could really care less.

it goes on every day at college in every sport.  this whole thing is the equivalent to jaywalking to me

Couldn't care less.

That being said, you're right, let's let anyone give any player any money they want.  That way, they can truly win at any cost.

Yes, that wouldn't ruin college athletics at all.

Since: Jun 4, 2008
Posted on: June 7, 2011 11:21 am

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

They played by the rules and as a result were handicapped.

Some OSU defenders claim that the selling of memorabilia is a minor thing. It is not. Apparently, this has been going on for years. It would not surprise me if high school prospects, on their visits, aren't told by current players of all the "perks" of being an OSU star...including selling memorabilia, getting deals on cars (still to be determined if that happened). BTW. there are probably only a handful of schools in the country (15-20 max) where that memorabilia is worth anything, so that gives the top programs just one more advantage over everyone else.

Naivety is bliss.  I would be willing to bet my house that these same transactions are occurring for players across the country and not just the elite few.  Watch any college game these days and players on all teams are tatted up almost full body.  I'm sure they get free food at restaurants around town, treated differently by the local businesses, etc.

The average fan could care less about vacated wins.  The outcome was decided on the field not by hypocritical NCAA regulators.

Since: Dec 29, 2009
Posted on: June 7, 2011 11:05 am

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

I will say this... The Big 10 is severely weakened by this.  They are going to take a big hit and anyone that beats them, well it probably won't mean as much.  So, if Wiscousin does became the heir apparent to OSU in the Big 10, will it improve its chances.  Here's what I mean.. Let's say 3 teams are undefeated... Wisc, LSU and TCU.. just throwing out examples.. and are all undefeated based on last years scheduling.. Does anyone thing that TCU would be higher ranked, thus playing in the National Title game than Wisc... assuming that LSU is #1.  My logic here and really the teams are interchangable.. an Undefeated SEC Champ, an Midmajor undefeated, and Wisc undefeated Big Ten champ.  Any thoughts?

Since: Dec 18, 2007
Posted on: June 7, 2011 11:05 am

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

The penalties will be as bad or worse than USC's. You seem to miss the point that the decision to let them play was made BEFORE the NCAA knew that Tressel was aware of the "memorabilia for tats." Even though he knew of the violation, he failed to tell compliance, the largest compliance department in the country, and let them play anyway. OSU is getting a proctology exam from the NCAA and many news organizations, bloggers, etc. I predict more will come out. But even if it does not, they are looking at severe penalties.

Since: Apr 29, 2009
Posted on: June 7, 2011 11:02 am

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

What I don't understand is the double standard.  Cam Newton's father solicits funds for his son's playing time, Reggie Bush's family accepts a rent-free house.  Cam says he didn't know what his father was doing - Reggie says he didn't know that his family was getting benefits.  What is the difference between these two?

To heck with Ohio State - Auburn is next.

Since: Jan 9, 2008
Posted on: June 7, 2011 10:57 am

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

initially Ohio St wasn't charged with Lack of Institutional but that's coming soon too...

Since: Dec 29, 2009
Posted on: June 7, 2011 10:56 am

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

I think.. and I've been thinking about this a lot.. there are a lot of good arguments here.  What is the real deterent?  It happened, in USC's case, but even Auburn & OSU just last year... so they got the win, the cash, the tv ratings.. Where is the deterent?  How about this... if you are ruled ineligible & cheated.. you must repay your scholarship.  The school must repay all the money it earned from being in the game.. or at least a good portion of it?  You lose your scholarships, you lose your ability to play in future bowl games.  The money regain is partially sent to the schools that were duped during the cheat, and the other part to charity?  Something along those lines.  I know for Bush, since he got his Heisman & all, it helped elevate his position to the NFL, just like Cam Newton, his dad admitted to asking for cash.. not too far from what Bush did.. so the paying for a scholarship isn't a huge deal to them, but some of the other tattoo 5 it will hurt their wallets.  It just sucks for the good kids.. the ones who do things the right way.

Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: June 7, 2011 10:36 am

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

Dense? Hmm, how does tressel covering things change the sanction on the players? The NCAA cleared them knowing exactly what they did. Those facts have not changed. What has changed is that JT knew about it. Just don't see how the NCAA can clear players to play, then forfeit the bowl afterwards.

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