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USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

Posted on: June 6, 2011 6:09 pm
 

Ohio State, you're next.

 Well, maybe, but the non-story that was the BCS finally and absolutely vacating USC's 2004 title on Monday does have implications colored Scarlet and Gray. The way things are trending in Columbus, Ohio State could be the next to vacate a BCS bowl win. A BCS source told me that the same standard would hold for Ohio State if it was forced to vacate this year's Sugar Bowl: Wait until the case is decided and all appeals are exhausted.

 Admittedly, the stakes would be a bit smaller but no less embarrassing. A national championship wasn't involved in Ohio State's 31-26 win over Arkansas. Six players mysteriously reinstated for the bowl somehow were. Five of those six players were key contributors in the win. At issue is how many of those victories will end up standing when the NCAA is through with Ohio State.

 Those six players were cleared by the NCAA to play that particular game but this case has miles to go -- no pun intended re: Terrelle Pryor loaners -- before it is finalized.

 And, no, that doesn't mean Arkansas becomes Sugar Bowl champion if Ohio State vacates. Just like USC in 2004, if the Buckeyes vacate, there likely will be no 2011 Sugar Bowl champion in the BCS' eyes.

 USC is believed to be the first team in the wire service era (since at least 1936) to have a national championship removed. 

Category: NCAAF
Tags: BCS, NCAA, Ohio State, USC
 
Comments

Since: May 23, 2011
Posted on: June 7, 2011 9:12 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

There is little doubt more will be added.  Between the car stuff for Pryor, the 49 other football players/families, Pryor's 'mentor', additional lies being discovered (how many phone calls and texts did Tressel exchange with the 'mentor'?), it is not doubtful in the least.

And refusal to testify has ALWAYS been looked upon badly.  I'll keep it simple, if it wasn't looked upon badly, why doesn't every school just separate themselves from coaches/players when the crap is about to hit the fan?  Heck, a former academic advisor for FSU refused to testify at the committee hearing and they NCAA specifically mentioned that in the infractions report and said it contributed to the penalties that FSU received a year or two ago.

And what does Cam Newton have to do with any of this?  There is no evidence of Auburn wrongdoing and there is no one accusing them of wrongdoing.  The Auburn and OSU situations, at this point, are completely different.




Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: June 7, 2011 9:06 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

Yea, Pretty sure a few scholorships and a few years of probation will happen. I don't think it will be a lot of scholorships though. I don't see a bowl ban. Possible forfeiting of games in 2011, maybe. I don't see the Sugar Bowl being forfeited. The NCAA knew what the players did and cleared them to play anyway. How is knowing that JT lied to cover for them going to change that. Is the NCAA going to say you're eligible, then say you're not after you played the game? Doubt it. Teams that have gotten hammered ALWAYS had recruiting violations or were paying players. NONE of that has been proven to be going on at OSU. SMU, USC, UMASS, Michigan, Miami, Bama, Oklahoma...all the same thing, recruiting issues and paying players.




Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: June 7, 2011 9:01 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

Charges have been handed down, and none include failure to monitor or lack of institutional control. Can they be added to? Sure. Will they? Doubtful. You're forgetting, it's all accusation. The car thing...no proof. SI story, already getting holes shot in it. Refusal to testify by athletes that are no longer under NCAA rules has never been looked on badly. The only reason USC got hammered is because they stonewalled for 5 years. And a former coach speaking his opinion proves what? Is it NCAA testimony? Is it a hard fact they dropped the ball? Nope. The NCAA has to be able to PROVE these things to add charges. It's kind of like a court case. You can't just infer because people won't talk to you that it's happening. If you could just infer things like that, Cam would have gotten the boot.




Since: May 23, 2011
Posted on: June 7, 2011 8:40 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

LOL...no, I'm just realistic Nole.

You're anything but that.

This is really, really bad.  Has the media gone a little overboard?  Maybe.  Are the violations that OSU is being accused of major and would carry significant probation and scholarship reductions?  Absolutely.



Since: May 23, 2011
Posted on: June 7, 2011 8:39 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

No, I don't think him not talking to the NCAA any further hurts OSU. And he's not going too. Like I keep saying, unless the NCAA hands down "failure to monitor" or "lack of institutional control", the penalties won't be that severe. Losing your icon coach and starting QB are pretty harsh as is.


You should really read up on some prior cases then.  The refusal to testify is looked upon very, very poorly by the NCAA.  

And the NCAA will be handing down a failure to monitor...at minimum.

Heck, your former coach has said publicly that your Compliance office dropped the ball regarding rules education.



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: June 7, 2011 8:37 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

LOL...no, I'm just realistic Nole.



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: June 7, 2011 8:35 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

No, I don't think him not talking to the NCAA any further hurts OSU. And he's not going too. Like I keep saying, unless the NCAA hands down "failure to monitor" or "lack of institutional control", the penalties won't be that severe. Losing your icon coach and starting QB are pretty harsh as is.



Since: May 23, 2011
Posted on: June 7, 2011 8:34 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

Either way, if OSU handles this properly, it's a non issue.

I picture you huddled up in a ball in the corner repeating this over and over and over trying to convince yourself of this.



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: June 7, 2011 8:31 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

Michigan fans...LOL. A cheater is a cheater right? And aren't you CURRENTLY ON PROBATION? Do me a favor...beat us, hell...make the game close...anything. Thanks.



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: June 7, 2011 8:29 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

Im cool with that stance steelr.  I agree, if this was just handled right from the get-go, none of this would be going on. The problem itself is all on OSU, however I do believe the media has it's own agenda, which is to make money. HUGE football program has possible scandal, lets report every rumor possible and make it MUCH bigger than it really is.. Either way, if OSU handles this properly, it's a non issue.


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