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USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

Posted on: June 6, 2011 6:09 pm
 

Ohio State, you're next.

 Well, maybe, but the non-story that was the BCS finally and absolutely vacating USC's 2004 title on Monday does have implications colored Scarlet and Gray. The way things are trending in Columbus, Ohio State could be the next to vacate a BCS bowl win. A BCS source told me that the same standard would hold for Ohio State if it was forced to vacate this year's Sugar Bowl: Wait until the case is decided and all appeals are exhausted.

 Admittedly, the stakes would be a bit smaller but no less embarrassing. A national championship wasn't involved in Ohio State's 31-26 win over Arkansas. Six players mysteriously reinstated for the bowl somehow were. Five of those six players were key contributors in the win. At issue is how many of those victories will end up standing when the NCAA is through with Ohio State.

 Those six players were cleared by the NCAA to play that particular game but this case has miles to go -- no pun intended re: Terrelle Pryor loaners -- before it is finalized.

 And, no, that doesn't mean Arkansas becomes Sugar Bowl champion if Ohio State vacates. Just like USC in 2004, if the Buckeyes vacate, there likely will be no 2011 Sugar Bowl champion in the BCS' eyes.

 USC is believed to be the first team in the wire service era (since at least 1936) to have a national championship removed. 

Category: NCAAF
Tags: BCS, NCAA, Ohio State, USC
 
Comments

Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: June 7, 2011 4:09 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

Nitro, IDK why you even argue with these guys. 75% of the public out there just reads what the major media outlets report. If espn, cbs, yahoo, of SI would have reported that the rapture was coming, the world would go mad. Nobody gets that these media outlets have an agenda, it's called trying to make a buck by scooping a story, reguardless of the validity of the story.



Since: Jan 9, 2007
Posted on: June 7, 2011 4:09 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

The OSU case is MUCH more like the Tenn case than the USE case.
Very true.  Also very true is the fact that A) Tennessee lost their AD due to "resignation" and B) Tennessee has no bowl game BCS or otherwise to forfeit, do they?



Since: Dec 2, 2009
Posted on: June 7, 2011 4:08 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

Bearcat,

While you make a valid point in to vacate games or not to vacate games, actually vacating them after the season has been played is dumb.  It is no deterrent at all.  As others have said the memories have been made, the experience enjoyed, the impressions developed, the money spent, etc, etc.  What does it matter to vacate a 2004 BCS NC?  The recruits received from that win have already...ahem, graduated (or otherwise moved on) the money earned has been spent, etc, etc, etc.  It just shows the NCAA has no real interest in policing the participants.  If they did the punishment would come with some teeth, such as pay back every cent your were paid to participate and the value of all gifts received by your players (others here have said similar things).  Once these schools start coming out of pocket with millions then this crap will slow down (don't think it'll ever stop).  Coaches should forfeit the year's salary in which they were found cheating and banned from ever coaching in the NCAA again, at any division level. 

You lose a bowl date for a year or two, okay that can cost money if the team remains strong and can have a negative impact on recruiting...for a year or two at most.  You lose scholarships...impacts depth and means you have to be a little more selective but really come on you don't think there are ways around that.  I bet if you studied the issue you will find when you lower football players on athletic scholarship you'll find an increase in academic scholarship or some other form of financial aid packages.  Besides say you can only give 15 scholly per year versus 25 or so...over a couple of years how much does that really mean...a few less bench warmers.  So your scholarship recruiting just gets more selective, thats all. 

Until the NCAA gets serious its all just playing games.  USC gambled and lost, how many times have the won??  Same at OSU.  OSU was busted cause the coach was too dumb to hit the delete button (or realize there was a back up somewhere).  So far they have not lost one recruit, Tressel and the school still get to spend their millions.  Will OSU dip, probably at least as a perennial NC contender, for a little bit.  But get the right coach and they'll be pissing off the rest of the nation again in no time!! 

Until you attack the money in a serious way, nothing will change.

I agree with those that think its REALLY dumb to vacate an OSU Sugar Bowl win after the NCAA ruled the players could play.  What Tressel knew and when he new it wasn't the issue in that decision.  Now the NCAA may reverse themselves because they made the ridiculous decision for them to play and they need to save some face, but again the TV ratings have been made and the advertising dollars spent so...whatever at this point. 




Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: June 7, 2011 3:57 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

Care to wager on that bearcat? The OSU case is MUCH more like the Tenn case than the USE case. If you want a good idea of what OSU will suffer, follow the Tenn case. It's nothing like the USC case. And there are already holes being poked into the media's witch hunt of OSU everyday. Love how CBS failed to report Storm Klein filling suit against SI for slander as he doesn't have a tatoo on his body, yet was cited SPECIFICALLY in their "investigative article". OSU will get a bite on this ass, but not the hammer thrown down. Guarenteed.



Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: June 7, 2011 3:49 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

Also do not forget the trade in value on their previous car took 7K off the price and isn't included in the 11K you're talking about in your post. Add that up it totals around 18K which is about what I found on KBB for the 350Z.

That is exactly how I heard it reported, KM9K.  The agreed upon price was $18K, the trade in was $7K, leaving $11K for Pryors Mom to finance.  I don't see this as being out of line, but I doubt the haters will ever see it this way.  Seriously, it does not matter what idiotic critics on this forum think.  What matters is what the NCAA thinks about this car deal.  I highly doubt the NCAA will see any problem in Pryor's car deal.  Time will tell if the NCAA investigation turns up anything, but if problems are found, OSU will be punished accordingly




Since: Jan 9, 2007
Posted on: June 7, 2011 3:43 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

jayhi, apparently you don't read the school's .




Since: Sep 6, 2008
Posted on: June 7, 2011 2:26 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

You are correct, its about "exploitation of a scandal to make a few bucks".  There never was a wide spread scandal, the SI story was almost entirely fake.  All issues with Ohio State were self reported.



Since: Oct 8, 2009
Posted on: June 7, 2011 2:21 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

Dude 21- 26K is waaaaaay too high. I did my own search and the numbers were very similar to the story the Pryor's gave. 21-26K for a car with 80K plus miles on it? If anyone is buying that I've got some choice real estate in Death Valley for sale. I'll give you a great price ;)

Also do not forget the trade in value on their previous car took 7K off the price and isn't included in the 11K you're talking about in your post. Add that up it totals around 18K which is about what I found on KBB for the 350Z.



Since: Mar 28, 2009
Posted on: June 7, 2011 2:07 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?


DreamerK said ..
 I actually don't want OSU to have bright skies, or ice cream, or to hear the melody in a child's laughter. I wish them cold, rain-soaked days of bitterness and regret as they contemplate the liver spots on their spindly little limbs. That's what I want. I want their dreams crushed and their limp souls rendered from their beings. Yeah, that 'bout does it.

Dude, that is the funniest post I have ever read on CBS!!! That was just awesome!Cool




@leftrule who said
The car he has is a 2007 Nissan that HIS MOM bought with 80,000 MILES ON IT!!!!!!!!  NO BARGAIN THERE!
 
The KKB value on a 2007 Nissan 350Z with 80K is 21K to 26K depending on the condition. Even at the low end his Mom bought it online 11K about half what it should have been.


OSU fan is unreasonable and there is no sense using facts because OSU fan won't let facts get in the way of thier pathetic arguments. Something just about everyone outside of Ohio seems to realize, they are going to get hit and hit hard by the NCAA. Tressel was the coach that LIED to get his players in a bowl game. The NCAA (as corrupt as they are) don't care Tressel or others are gone, he WAS the coach when the violations occured, end of story.    


    



Since: Sep 6, 2008
Posted on: June 7, 2011 2:03 pm
 

USC vacates, is Ohio State next?

You are correct, its about "exploitation of a scandal to make a few bucks".  There never was a wide spread scandal, the SI story was almost entirely fake.  All issues with Ohio State were self reported.


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