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Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Posted on: July 1, 2011 3:10 pm
Edited on: July 4, 2011 11:33 am

It turns out Oregon was that dumb.

It did get in bed with a talent scout to lure tailback Lache Seastrunk to Oregon if you draw the thinnest of conclusions from Friday's Yahoo! Sports story. It turns out that talent scout/mentor/third party/opportunist Will Lyles did essentially Photoshop a national recruiting package together follow Yahoo! Sports' initial report.

I didn't think Oregon could be so dumb. I was wrong.

The report details what is clearly a close relationship between Oregon and Lyles. The story says relationship with Chip Kelly goes back to 2007. The NCAA won't even have to try hard to classify Lyles as a representative of the university's athletic interests. In other words, a booster.

The tragedy of it is, Oregon and Kelly didn't have to do any of this. The program had the support of Nike behind it. Kelly himself is a heck of a coach and a tireless recruiter, although even that label must now be in question.

This isn't a case of the media fireflies being drawn to an upstart championship contender. The likes of Kelly, Jim Tressel and Bruce Pearl are making it too easy for us. They're sloppy and arrogant in their alleged wrongdoing. Think about how simpler life would be for Tressel if he had merely walked down the hall to his athletic director with those emails. Pearl would still be coaching if he told the truth. Kelly didn't need Seastrunk that badly. So far, the kid hasn't panned out.

Instead, he allegedly funneled tens of thousands of dollars to a shady character with a relationship to a recruit. My God, it's Texas football. There's plenty to go around for everyone. Was Seastrunk worth it? We know now the answer is no.

Fallout? According to the story, the NCAA has already been in to talk to Lyles. But Lyles said they didn't ask specific questions that Yahoo! Sports did (go figure). You can bet they'll be back in wanting to see Lyles' emails and phone records too. Why wouldn't he cooperate? Lyles has the morals of a slug anyway. It looks to me that the only reason he rolled on Oregon was that they weren't going to pay him again.

Be very concerned Duck Nation. Oregon is in line for major penalties, the kind that burn a program to the ground. USC-like. Kelly's job could be in jeopardy. This is not USC looking the other way while Reggie Bush took money, this is a willful attempt to gain a recruiting and competitive advantage.

Can anyone win big without cheating? The question remains unanswered.




Category: NCAAF
Tags: NCAA, Oregon

Since: Aug 17, 2006
Posted on: July 5, 2011 3:23 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Wow really? Did you fall into a coma for the Cam Newton allegations? Clearly there is something funny going on there. I would say there is maybe 10% of major recruits that do not receive extra benefits. That's probably being generous. Clearly my Hoosiers basketball team has something going on with this awesome recruiting. Until we get caught....

Since: May 31, 2007
Posted on: July 5, 2011 2:21 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Can anyone win big without cheating?  Auburn just did.

Since: Oct 1, 2006
Posted on: July 5, 2011 1:24 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Amazing that Lyles is closer to a recruit than a father is to his son?  Plus daddy demanded $180,000 for football playing services.  The NCAA says no wrong doing because the $180,000 son can earn the NCAA more money than Mountain West competition. 

Since: May 18, 2011
Posted on: July 5, 2011 10:49 am

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

I'm not sure that he will be stocking wine at the local wine store for $8.00 an hour.  Might be stocking beef jerky for 5.75 though....  hey its Texas.

Since: Apr 22, 2009
Posted on: July 5, 2011 10:10 am

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

HEY DD, Still do not read your dribble, did you mention The Ohio State University and Coach Tressell?

Since: Mar 25, 2009
Posted on: July 5, 2011 9:26 am

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

blazederfan, every bit of your story is full of a bunch of what ifs, without a single shred of evidence behind them, if lyles didnt have the emails and phone records to back up his claims, then i might give your "scenarios" a little more weight, but my guess is you havent bothered to read the yahoo article, but i have one question, if lyles was out to "extort" money from oregon, as you claim, why didnt he do the same thing to LSU and CAL, the other 2 schools he dealt with??  would you like to know why?  because he didnt have a personal relationship with les miles or jeff tedford, another question, why is it that lyles claims LSU provided him with a checklist of things he had to do for them, provide tape of recruits and written reports, where as oregon didnt need anything in writing until this coming school year, then at the last possible second, oregon calls lyles and asks for a 2010 recruiting package, when it was already 2011 and all the kids had already signed, i will tell you why, because LSU played by the rules and used lyles for recruiting, oregon on the other hand tried to cover their tracks and used lyles for his influence over recruits, and considering his relationship with kelly and other members of the duck football team, that makes him a BOOSTER!!   

Since: Jul 4, 2011
Posted on: July 4, 2011 11:31 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Kick 'em when they're down. sounds like sports reporting to me.

Since: Jul 4, 2011
Posted on: July 4, 2011 11:26 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Welcome Oregon to the elite club of teams being investigated by the NCAA. In this era, there really cannot be an NCAA football team with zero infractions.  Too many eyes everywhere. 
Seastrunk?  That sounds like a made up name.  I would put them on probation just for that.   

Since: Sep 4, 2006
Posted on: July 4, 2011 10:53 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Don't lump Tressel with recruiting violations... Clown

Since: Feb 16, 2010
Posted on: July 4, 2011 10:15 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

What i was getting at with my previous post is that this whole story could be just as much about Will Lyles as it is about Oregon football, if not more, and it all depends on just how much of a lier Mr. Lyles is. If dating a kids mom just to gain influence over where that kid goes to college can be used as an indicator, I would say Will lyles could turn out to be an awful big lier.

Whats be shown thus far is as follows. Oregon seemed to have a fairly normal business relationship with Lyles for at least a couple years (that i know about), I mean normal as is in the money payed for his "scouting service" was in line with industry norms and from accounts thus far was up to date information. Several big name texas recruits, with ties to lyles, sine with oregon culminating with Seastrunk. The same recruiting season Seastrunk sines his letter of intent oregon receives possibly out of date(i say possibly because without seeing everything its hard to know for sure and the NCAA still hasn't voiced their opinion on the quality of the scouting info) scouting info from Lyles and then turns around and pay him $25,000 upon his demand.

Now its all together possible Lyles and U of O where in bed the whole time having players shipped up north, however it seems to me that if this was an agreed upon business venture you would find a much better way of disguising the amount of money being payed than just tossing em a check for 25k. Any decent accountant could have helped oregon liquidate 25k in cash from multiple different revenues virtually un noticeably and again helped lyles company absorb that cash seamlessly as well. This also begs the question of, Why no big pay out for James? yes he wasn't as highly touted a recruit as Seastrunk but their was also a much larger need from oregon (thats what i meant by bigger recruit in my first post, him coming over felt bigger for the team) at that time and doesn't demand drive price? Or was their a pay out for james as well but the paper trail covered? If so why cover the paper trail for payment on James and not on Seastrunk? Really the only people who know the answers are Lyles and Some folks at Oregon. Oregon's not saying anything publicly and lyles isn't going to tell the truth, at least not the whole truth he's going to make sure he looks squeaky clean no matter what he says.

What the 25k payout looks like to me is a change in the relationship between Lyles and Oregon not a pay out for Seastrunk. More specifically it looks like a  separation of the two with a resulting payoff of 25 grand. This could still be bad for Oregon, the very well could have been paying Lyles for player influence all along when for and number of reasons (oregon getting scared of being caught or Lyles demanding more money just to name a few) they decided to stop doing business with one another prompting Lyles to demand the $25,000 as hush money for all his troubles. This scenario would explain why their was no attempt to hide the payment sense A: some one demanding a bribe is going to have you operating on a much shorter time consternate then some one you are on friendly terms with and B:if your paying a bribe you want it to be as obvious as possible so you can pull the " we may have been negligent but overall innocence and scared so we payed" routine later on if you get caught.

However their are several renditions of this story that fit the facts just as well in witch Oregon may actually be a victim instead of a culprit. What if Oregon's and Lyle's relationship started off innocently enough Lyles selling scouting info and oregon paying normal prices for it. One day lyles decided that if some of the texas recruits he knew played for oregon it might help ensure his continued business with the university so he doesn't push but encourages guys like James to check them out. After Seastrunk decides on Oregon Lyles decides his services go far beyond those of a simple scout and demands more money witch oregon pays out of fear and stupidity. Or what if Lyles felt he could control Seastrunk enough to shop him to oregon form the start, Oregon declined (thats when Lyles shopped him to other schools) and after getting no takers seastrunk decided to go to Oregon on his own accord at witch point lyles blackmailed them with the threat of the type of story he's told  now for his 25k pay out. Lyles could have been sending Oregon good scouting info up till this last class and pushing recruits (without Oregon's knowledge) that way to ensure future business and started feeling too comfortable and sent essentially the same scouting package 2 years in a row assuming that the acquisition of Seastrunk would ensure further business and then blackmailed the ducks when they dumped him for poor scouting.

Without all the facts and the majority of the "facts" we do have coming from Will, the "street agent", lyles its just too early for me to condemn the ducks although I will concede the fact they did business with Lyles at all is troubling for me.

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