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Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Posted on: July 1, 2011 3:10 pm
Edited on: July 4, 2011 11:33 am

It turns out Oregon was that dumb.

It did get in bed with a talent scout to lure tailback Lache Seastrunk to Oregon if you draw the thinnest of conclusions from Friday's Yahoo! Sports story. It turns out that talent scout/mentor/third party/opportunist Will Lyles did essentially Photoshop a national recruiting package together follow Yahoo! Sports' initial report.

I didn't think Oregon could be so dumb. I was wrong.

The report details what is clearly a close relationship between Oregon and Lyles. The story says relationship with Chip Kelly goes back to 2007. The NCAA won't even have to try hard to classify Lyles as a representative of the university's athletic interests. In other words, a booster.

The tragedy of it is, Oregon and Kelly didn't have to do any of this. The program had the support of Nike behind it. Kelly himself is a heck of a coach and a tireless recruiter, although even that label must now be in question.

This isn't a case of the media fireflies being drawn to an upstart championship contender. The likes of Kelly, Jim Tressel and Bruce Pearl are making it too easy for us. They're sloppy and arrogant in their alleged wrongdoing. Think about how simpler life would be for Tressel if he had merely walked down the hall to his athletic director with those emails. Pearl would still be coaching if he told the truth. Kelly didn't need Seastrunk that badly. So far, the kid hasn't panned out.

Instead, he allegedly funneled tens of thousands of dollars to a shady character with a relationship to a recruit. My God, it's Texas football. There's plenty to go around for everyone. Was Seastrunk worth it? We know now the answer is no.

Fallout? According to the story, the NCAA has already been in to talk to Lyles. But Lyles said they didn't ask specific questions that Yahoo! Sports did (go figure). You can bet they'll be back in wanting to see Lyles' emails and phone records too. Why wouldn't he cooperate? Lyles has the morals of a slug anyway. It looks to me that the only reason he rolled on Oregon was that they weren't going to pay him again.

Be very concerned Duck Nation. Oregon is in line for major penalties, the kind that burn a program to the ground. USC-like. Kelly's job could be in jeopardy. This is not USC looking the other way while Reggie Bush took money, this is a willful attempt to gain a recruiting and competitive advantage.

Can anyone win big without cheating? The question remains unanswered.




Category: NCAAF
Tags: NCAA, Oregon

Since: Jul 3, 2011
Posted on: July 4, 2011 9:50 pm

Lyles motivation for calling out Oregon

Golfnbeer2: Lyles, if the other reports now surfacing in the Oregon newspapers are to believed, was due another $25,000 from Chip Kelly on top of the $25,000 he has already received.  Lyles, with or without the NCAA, is probably done with college football as no school would dare touch his scouting services at this point.  So he went and talked to Yahoo because well... he could?  If Reggie Bush and Lloyd Lake provided any lesson, pay the effing man that got you the illcit goods.  Bush and Lake all came out because of $300k; you're telling me Oregon and Nike couldn't figure out a way to give Lyles a measly $25k off the books?  

Oregon and/or Chip Kelly thought they could get away with retroactively covering up their tracks by asking for something to justify the $25,000.  What they didn't count on is the media (not the NCAA mind you) doing the digging and seeing what was avaliable via a FOIA request.  If you remember, public schools that receive public funding are subject to such requests and denying them only digs the hole even deeper.

Lyles realized his "career" of scouting high school football was over and wanted to send a big F-U to Oregon and Chip Kelly while he stocks wine at the local wine store for $8 an hour.   

Since: Sep 14, 2006
Posted on: July 4, 2011 6:06 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

There are going to be some schools taling serious hits in the next few years. Auburn, Boise State, Oregon and of course Ohio State. It will be interesting to see how all the punishments compare to one another.

Since: Dec 3, 2008
Posted on: July 4, 2011 4:41 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Lyles did NOT sell the same information to other schools....and by the way, it must be at the same price and in writing.   Verbal information on recruits by a recruiting service is prohibited for the very reason it cannot be monitored to make sure each school is given access to the same information and at the same (POSTED) price.   Lyles hadn't posted a price and made one up for Oregon exclusively and for VERBAL information.  

Since: Dec 3, 2008
Posted on: July 4, 2011 4:37 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Jim Tressel signed NCAA form 10-1 (Certification of Compliance) attesting that he knew or knows of no known violations.    He knew of violations.    End of that story.

Skip Kelly must sign the same form by September 15th.   What to do, what to do?     Signing the form is normal a part of a coach's employment contract.     Will he sign the form and risk losing his job for lying to the NCAA, or will he refuse to sign the form and lose his job for failing to comply with his employment contract?    It's a veritable quandry.     I think he should flip a coin at the  restaurant of the same name, Veritable Quandry, on First Street in Portland, OR, and just take his chances.     Not looking good either way.

Since: Oct 2, 2006
Posted on: July 4, 2011 3:44 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Not 'stupid is as stupid does,' but 'CORRUPT is as CORRUPT IS': Div I college sports is a rotten system, designed to make (mostly white) good ole boy men rich--university presidents; ADs; coaches; corporate sponsors--at the expense of slave-labor athletes and education as such.  Discussion of specific malefactors is a sideshow, a screen to focus on the disease permeating universities as such.

Since: May 25, 2011
Posted on: July 4, 2011 2:46 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Damn Dodd, all you do is rewrite other people's stories. How about something original for once.

Since: Jun 12, 2009
Posted on: July 4, 2011 1:54 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Hopefully the first sanction against Oregon will be to get rid of all of their ugly uniforms.  They have to be the most hideous looking team on the planet.  A cross between the XFL and WNBA.  Goodbye Chip the Cheater.

Since: Dec 27, 2007
Posted on: July 4, 2011 12:12 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Can anyone win big without cheating? The question remains unanswered.
Yes, they can. Duke in hoops and Notre Dame(circa 1988) did it. You can, but it's hard. However, doing the right thing always is.

Chip Kelly should be fired. This guy always seemed slimy. His player punches out another player. Masoli. Now, the recent scandals. It's time to restore dignity to the Ducks program. Fire him and bring in a coach who has some ethics. Let Kelly coach in the NFL.

I just hope this doesn't lead to more of the "pay the players" spiel. It's college sports. Let the NFL start their own minor leagues like the NHL and MLB have. Clean up the sport and stop recruiting criminals or ones who are inferior academically and at risk. You do that, you'll still have more than enough talent, but will have less headaches. You can raise the per diems for the students and factor it into the scholarship. That way they can practice and focus on sports and their academics without needing a job to buy a slice of pizza or get a used car. However, if they abuse it, they lose it and any future ones. Put the onus on them and hold them accountable.

Since: Mar 3, 2009
Posted on: July 4, 2011 10:06 am

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

What I don't unnerstand is, why did Lyles throw 'em under the bus? He can't get into any trouble can he????

Unless Oregon or Kelly screwed him outta some bank?.....

Doesn't make sense cuz his rep is now in the toilet forever.


Since: Mar 18, 2009
Posted on: July 4, 2011 9:07 am

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Cheating is certainly getting its run as one of the key factors in building a winning program.  And the real tragedy is that just about everyone involved (kids, parents, mentors, coaches, administrations, sponsors, fans and boosters) don't seem to mind.  But, if the politicians get a sniff, they and their marketing machines will sell EVERYONE involved on the idea that they better tighten up and lighten up on the graft and corruption and disrespect for laws and guidelines already on the books. 

And we all know that the spirit of a law/guideline is pretty easy to understand and follow.  But any law or truism can be beaten into submission by the gleeful and incessant poking and questioning some of us consider sound business practices.  Attorneys of the world are supposed to protect the little guy from the corporate giants, but that very fraternity invites most of the loophole bludgeoning that goes on in sports and traditional business.  Look in the freaking mirror, legal profession!

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