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Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Posted on: July 1, 2011 3:10 pm
Edited on: July 4, 2011 11:33 am

It turns out Oregon was that dumb.

It did get in bed with a talent scout to lure tailback Lache Seastrunk to Oregon if you draw the thinnest of conclusions from Friday's Yahoo! Sports story. It turns out that talent scout/mentor/third party/opportunist Will Lyles did essentially Photoshop a national recruiting package together follow Yahoo! Sports' initial report.

I didn't think Oregon could be so dumb. I was wrong.

The report details what is clearly a close relationship between Oregon and Lyles. The story says relationship with Chip Kelly goes back to 2007. The NCAA won't even have to try hard to classify Lyles as a representative of the university's athletic interests. In other words, a booster.

The tragedy of it is, Oregon and Kelly didn't have to do any of this. The program had the support of Nike behind it. Kelly himself is a heck of a coach and a tireless recruiter, although even that label must now be in question.

This isn't a case of the media fireflies being drawn to an upstart championship contender. The likes of Kelly, Jim Tressel and Bruce Pearl are making it too easy for us. They're sloppy and arrogant in their alleged wrongdoing. Think about how simpler life would be for Tressel if he had merely walked down the hall to his athletic director with those emails. Pearl would still be coaching if he told the truth. Kelly didn't need Seastrunk that badly. So far, the kid hasn't panned out.

Instead, he allegedly funneled tens of thousands of dollars to a shady character with a relationship to a recruit. My God, it's Texas football. There's plenty to go around for everyone. Was Seastrunk worth it? We know now the answer is no.

Fallout? According to the story, the NCAA has already been in to talk to Lyles. But Lyles said they didn't ask specific questions that Yahoo! Sports did (go figure). You can bet they'll be back in wanting to see Lyles' emails and phone records too. Why wouldn't he cooperate? Lyles has the morals of a slug anyway. It looks to me that the only reason he rolled on Oregon was that they weren't going to pay him again.

Be very concerned Duck Nation. Oregon is in line for major penalties, the kind that burn a program to the ground. USC-like. Kelly's job could be in jeopardy. This is not USC looking the other way while Reggie Bush took money, this is a willful attempt to gain a recruiting and competitive advantage.

Can anyone win big without cheating? The question remains unanswered.




Category: NCAAF
Tags: NCAA, Oregon

Since: Apr 20, 2010
Posted on: July 4, 2011 12:33 am

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Even as a Michigan fan , I am impressed with this srticle and story.
I liked Tressel and thought he was a great coach and recruiter.
He stuck up for and protected his players , I would let my kid play
for him anyday...btw Hoke is no Joke !!

Since: Apr 29, 2010
Posted on: July 4, 2011 12:21 am

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Oregon fans. There's nothing ambiguous about this. There's clearly enough of what Lyles said that adds up.

The university cut the check after CK requested it. That alone will redefine the term "lack of insititutional control".  Only probation....LOL. The payola has never come from a university before so you'll get to be their opportunity to create "NCAA case law". At a time when they are dying to.

The attempt to put a scouting report in place in the 12th hour has clearly already sealed Chip's fate. The whole process over five years has as well. A great football game coach who clearly never should have been given the keys to the car. Why would any D-1 insititution ever hire someone capable of produing such juvenille and terrible decision making? Because there's not enough experience from the AD to see that this clown wasn't responsible enough. 

What's killing you really is inexperience. Two AD's in a row as first timers followed by a first time head football coach. All this over a period of time when you are trying to take that final step to being an elite team. And the third first timer in a row you hired, CK, is going to slam your window of opportunity shut because of some juvenille and completely irresponsible decision making. Absolutlely terrible hiring practices based on what you were trying to achieve. Blame your coach (and you should be furious enough to hope he gets fired on Tuesday) but blame your President and others that oversee the atheltic department as well.   

Since: Oct 10, 2007
Posted on: July 3, 2011 11:25 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Nike University shot down?  With all that money floating around, I'll believe it when I see it.

Since: Jul 3, 2011
Posted on: July 3, 2011 9:09 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

BlazederFAn - If you see nothing wrong with what is going on, then your fan blinders are about the size of Phil Knight's wallet.  First, Lyles only went and told Yahoo Sports all this stuff because he felt like he was being thrown under the bus by Oregon and the business he started was no longer worth anything because of these allegations.  There is an accompanying piece on Yahoo that tries to paint Lyles as a sympathetic figure (the part about him making $8 an hour at a wine shop is a nice try)... I believe Lyles knew exactly what he was doing and had hoped landing Seastrunk at one of his client schools would help persuade other schools to pay for his "scouting" services.  

Second, as far as Seastrunk goes, you are absolutely incorrect when you say James was the bigger recruit.  Seastrunk could have gone to USC, UT or any other major college football program in the country.  James?  His options, according to the Yahoo article, was Baylor and TCU (the 2008 version of TCU, not the current BCS juggernaut TCU).   Seastrunk was a 5 star RB and #26 overall on Rivals, 4 star and #40 overall on ESPNU and 5 star and #20 overall on  I believe at the time, he was the highest rated recruit EVER recruited by Oregon.  James?  3 star and 40th RUNNING BACK on   

There were questions about why Seastrunk would choose a school with an entrenched RB like LMJ and a good backup like Barner... I guess now we know.   

Since: Aug 24, 2010
Posted on: July 3, 2011 7:52 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

The University of Oregon paid 25K to Lyles for specific recruiting services, documented to this point by testimory.  If the facts are correct, this is an obvious violation, except the NCAA has not clearly written the rules covering this action.  This case is not unlike the Cameron Newton incident last year, where the NCAA rules did not adequately cover the violation and had to be quietly rewritten.  At some point the NCAA will come to realise that NO money can be paid to ANYONE outside the football staff.     

Since: Feb 16, 2010
Posted on: July 3, 2011 6:36 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

So, I am an Oregon fan and if turns out the team played for players i will be VERY disappointed. That being said I'm having a hard time taking this seriously at the moment, maybe its just my fan blinders keeping me from see the truth, however thus far it looks like the ONLY damning evidence against Oregon is the word of Wille Lyles. Thier are SOOOOO many holes through this guys story (in example why did Oregon have to pay 25000$ for seastrunk but didn't pay a dime for James, the larger recruit?) The guy is a con artist and i would have a VERY hard time damning any program just on his word alone. Then again Oregon probably made a mistake just doing business with this guy, Although they are far from alone in that boat, I wouldn't at all surprised if this all started with Mr. Lyles trying to extort Oregon for more money and that's the kind of situations you get yourself into for dealing with a guy like wille lyles.

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Since: May 18, 2011
Posted on: July 3, 2011 5:39 pm
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Posted on: July 3, 2011 5:37 pm
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Since: Aug 25, 2006
Posted on: July 3, 2011 4:33 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

If LSU was in bed with him then they should get hit too.  Lyles openly admitted he tried to get money from Texas A&M but they turned him down.  I would like to commend Texas A&M for not getting sucked into this.  It actually looks like Lyles was hoping to get paid and someone did not keep up their end of the bargain.  Why would he rat out a University if they were paying him?  It is not like he all of a sudden found a conscience. 

Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: July 3, 2011 2:46 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

I know Texas cleaned up their program around the 2002-2003 season probably due more to quantity than quality.    They got so stock-piled they knew eventually it would backfire and ramped down to get top quality and reload.    OU has really cracked down on the good ol'boy alumni network but still has small issues.   OSU (and Gundy) had to clean house in 2005 and actually surprised didn't catch some sanctions but has really focused on specific role players and done well on the offensive side of the ball but has constantly had to shore up the defensive side with JC transfers.   The thing is that Texas and OU have a lot of enemies looking for that chink in the armor so they have to be very protective as Tech, A&M, and OSU are looking for break.    OSU has had to stay clean just due to severe rivalry with OU and over-the-top media love for OU in Oklahoma.   Oklahoma and Texas (as states) are very similar; they like when OU and Texas are on top and like OSU/A&M/Tech to be very tough and competitive and winners, but not better than OU or Texas.

I think the West Coast has been over-looked for so long outside of USC just due to the fact that everytime a West Coast team makes a bonafide run, they fall flat when it counts (Arizona St against Ohio State in the Rose Bowl, UCLA against Miami in the Hurricane moved game, Cal when fell to USC in 2004(?), etc.)      
; I believe that we're moving out of the "raw-high school talent immediate impact" period and starting to move to "raw-HS Talent immediate impact to developed skills" and we're finally starting to see players return more to improve in college before going into the pro's and finding they really aren't ready.

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