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Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Posted on: July 1, 2011 3:10 pm
Edited on: July 4, 2011 11:33 am

It turns out Oregon was that dumb.

It did get in bed with a talent scout to lure tailback Lache Seastrunk to Oregon if you draw the thinnest of conclusions from Friday's Yahoo! Sports story. It turns out that talent scout/mentor/third party/opportunist Will Lyles did essentially Photoshop a national recruiting package together follow Yahoo! Sports' initial report.

I didn't think Oregon could be so dumb. I was wrong.

The report details what is clearly a close relationship between Oregon and Lyles. The story says relationship with Chip Kelly goes back to 2007. The NCAA won't even have to try hard to classify Lyles as a representative of the university's athletic interests. In other words, a booster.

The tragedy of it is, Oregon and Kelly didn't have to do any of this. The program had the support of Nike behind it. Kelly himself is a heck of a coach and a tireless recruiter, although even that label must now be in question.

This isn't a case of the media fireflies being drawn to an upstart championship contender. The likes of Kelly, Jim Tressel and Bruce Pearl are making it too easy for us. They're sloppy and arrogant in their alleged wrongdoing. Think about how simpler life would be for Tressel if he had merely walked down the hall to his athletic director with those emails. Pearl would still be coaching if he told the truth. Kelly didn't need Seastrunk that badly. So far, the kid hasn't panned out.

Instead, he allegedly funneled tens of thousands of dollars to a shady character with a relationship to a recruit. My God, it's Texas football. There's plenty to go around for everyone. Was Seastrunk worth it? We know now the answer is no.

Fallout? According to the story, the NCAA has already been in to talk to Lyles. But Lyles said they didn't ask specific questions that Yahoo! Sports did (go figure). You can bet they'll be back in wanting to see Lyles' emails and phone records too. Why wouldn't he cooperate? Lyles has the morals of a slug anyway. It looks to me that the only reason he rolled on Oregon was that they weren't going to pay him again.

Be very concerned Duck Nation. Oregon is in line for major penalties, the kind that burn a program to the ground. USC-like. Kelly's job could be in jeopardy. This is not USC looking the other way while Reggie Bush took money, this is a willful attempt to gain a recruiting and competitive advantage.

Can anyone win big without cheating? The question remains unanswered.




Category: NCAAF
Tags: NCAA, Oregon

Since: May 6, 2010
Posted on: July 2, 2011 2:58 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

I will say this though... even though Florida St. was never caught in their championship years breaking any rules, it's notable that Bobby Bowden came out and said after he retired that it's "impossible" to run a championship caliber team without breaking rules.  So my favorite team probably broke the rules too, they just never got caught.

I'd be willing to bet 95% of the teams who've played in a BCS Championship Game have broken rules.  

But "everyone does it" does not result in "so we shouldn't be punished."

Ohio St. should be handed a 3-year bowl ban and 10 fewer scholarships per year for 3 years (same number of scholarship losses as Southern Cal, 1 more year banned from bowls).

Oregon should be handed a loss of 5-10 scholarships and possibly a 1-year bowl ban.  

Since: Jul 24, 2007
Posted on: July 2, 2011 2:55 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

That does not mean your conference is the best dude. You just get to win the Miss Congeniality award. Stick to your 40 team College basketball league.

Since: Oct 4, 2010
Posted on: July 2, 2011 2:34 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Thats IT! I dont wanna hear it anymore, the Big East is the best conference in the country period. Why? because we are the only one that plays by the rules.

Since: May 6, 2010
Posted on: July 2, 2011 2:33 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon


If Chip Kelly told Lyles "Go get me some top recruits and there's cash-money in it for you!" it would be worse than Ohio St.  But according to Lyles (who had no reason to speak out and say what he said while at the same time holding back something like that) Kelly didn't do that.  He didn't make a recruits-for-cash arrangement.  Lyles pushed recruits to Oregon on his own and then Oregon rewarded him for it.  

Meanwhile, Kelly is a very strict disciplinarian.  He doesn't let his players get away with anything.  Tressel is the exact opposite.  He actively hid the fact that his recruits were violating NCAA rules and profiting from their position where they shouldn't be.  He also alledgedly (according to his former Assistant Coach) rigged raffles so that top recruits would end up with iPods and logo'd clothing when they were attending campus.

I'm not saying what Kelly did was good or ok.  IMO Oregon should suffer a loss of some scholarships for it for sure, maybe even a 1-year bowl ban.  But what Kelly did was not nearly as bad as what Tressel did.  Not even close.  

Since: Jul 2, 2011
Posted on: July 2, 2011 2:29 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

One small correction:  USC did not "turn it's back" on what Reggie, Lamar and Lloyd Lake were up to down in San Diego.  They flat didn't know.  Period. 

The NCAA claims Todd McNair knew based on the flimsiest of circumstantial "evicence" and the testimony of a convicted felon who was actively trying to shake Reggie down  ... but the NCAA couldn't even get the dates right on the purported incriminating phone call by McNair to Lake, so how could McNair explain what happened on a day when NOTHING happened??

The NCAA disputes this today, but McNair will soon have his day in court ... something the NCAA COI never granted either McNair or USC.

As far as Oregon goes, "Burn, baby.  Burn!"   

Since: Nov 25, 2010
Posted on: July 2, 2011 2:20 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon


not as bad as Ohio have to be kidding?

not turning kids in for selling their stuff and getting free tatoos or paying some scumbag $25,000 in cash to bring kids to your school.

not even in the same universe.....

wonder where that money ended up? could it be the same kids he was "scouting" for Oregon.

Oregon pays a "scout"....Auburn pays the dad....the kids are innocent.

but ohio state is dirty? comedy.

do you think Chip Kelly signed the same NCAA form Tressel did? guarantee he did....

Since: Jul 19, 2009
Posted on: July 2, 2011 2:16 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Tressel kicked some players off his team. Look it up, or are you too lazy to do it?

Since: May 6, 2010
Posted on: July 2, 2011 2:13 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

Objectively, this is not as bad as Ohio St. nor Auburn.

Chip Kelly (according to Lyles) never asked him to push players toward Oregon.  He didn't request favoritism or say "You send me recruits and you'll get a pay day".  Lyles pushed recruits there on his own.

Oregon didn't go Auburn and pay a player to come to their school.
Oregon didn't go Ohio St. and allow players to get away with murder and then try and cover it up.

Chip Kelly rewarded Lyles for something he did on his own.

So on the scale of badness they aren't as bad as Ohio St. or Auburn (or Southern Cal).

Chip Kelly has always been a guy who punishes his players for infractions and has even kicked a few good players off the team.  Which is the exact opposite of what went on at Ohio St.  Heck, Oregon's All-American Kick Returner and stud DB is suspended for the opener because he got caught speeding and driving with a suspended liscense.  Not beating his girlfriend, driving drunk, or doing blow... speeding and driving with a suspended liscense.

I'm not saying the guy is a Saint by any means, but he's not a guy who lets his players get away with infractions.  He's a strict disciplinarian.  Comparing him and The Sweatervest is silly. 

Since: Oct 27, 2010
Posted on: July 2, 2011 1:33 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

The other team in the national championship did the same thing, if not worse,...

The difference is simply arrogance.  Auburn, if they were guilty, and we still have to say if, has covered it well, at least so far.  Oregon, on the other hand, engaged in obvious violations and made no move to cover them up until discovered and doing it after the fact makes it look worse.  But don't tell me that even Duck fans were not a little suspicious when a Heisman Trophy candidate and one of the best backs in Texas ended up in Drearyville. However reference to Auburn is appropriate because the violations at UO are far more serious than any at tOSU and USC.  Many envied this program this program because it already had Nike on its side with a pocket deep enough to make a premier program in itself.  A kick in the azz for the PAC12 with two premier programs on probation.  Makes the SEC look good.

Since: Dec 31, 2010
Posted on: July 2, 2011 1:00 pm

Will Lyles drops a big, ol' dime on Oregon

PeteND- I Why do you think OSU is any worse than Notre dame? OSU had players sell personal items for beer money and tatoos. Notre Dame puts student assistants in dangerous situations that sometimes leads to death. I would rater have my players break NCAA rules by selling their personal items rather than killing student assistants.  Thr truth hurts, doesn't it?

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