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NCAA checks its swing again in Ga. Tech case

Posted on: July 14, 2011 4:57 pm
Edited on: July 14, 2011 5:00 pm
Well, at least Georgia Tech didn't win the ACC in 2009. Right?


I'm sure once the "shame" dies down at Tech over Thursday's NCAA football penalties a lot of folks at the school will "re-examine" their "consciences". Then they'll laugh out loud.

There was absolutely nothing in the NCAA's findings that will deter the next school from cheating. Specifically, that would be coaching a witness (in this case, a Tech player) prior to an NCAA interview.

That would be playing a couple of ineligible athletes in the ACC title game. That would be letting a repeat violator skate after the latest slap on the radiocarpal joint. The NCAA said one thing and did another when it scolded Georgia Tech for -- among other things -- "lack of cooperation" and failing to meet the "conditions and obligations of membership."

Some wise guy on Twitter called the penalties the same as Ohio State, plus a $100,000 fine. The difference is, Ohio State self-penalized and still faces a significant day in NCAA court. This time, the governing body talked big Thursday, stepped into the batter's box, then checked its swing.

This was serious stuff to everyone except the infractions committee that assessed the penalties on Thursday. The COI got so incensed that it applied what has become the default "penalty" for indignation. A vacation of wins -- in this case all of one for the program -- has become like those Biscottis you receive on flights. They look all fancy. They taste like toasted air.

The only people penalized in these type cases are the SIDs who have to edit their media guides to indicate (per NCAA orders) that USC really didn't win the Pac-10 or, in this case, Georgia Tech really didn't win the '09 ACC title.

Yeah, right.

Our Brett McMurphy was the first to report that the ACC is going to vacate that conference title. I'm sure the school is so upset that its next move will be to give back the championship rings and its portion of the BCS bowl money. I'm sure coach Paul Johnson will return the $200,000 bonus he received for winning the title. #sarcasm

The NCAA wants us to believe "this case provides a cautionary tale". The message: If you deceive the NCAA, if you play ineligible players, if you become a candidate for the death penalty, you might get a $100,000 fine, a four-year probation and a whole bunch of Biscottis.
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Since: Jul 16, 2011
Posted on: July 16, 2011 4:00 pm

NCAA checks its swing again in Ga. Tech case

Well said, SWIHawk!

Since: Jul 16, 2011
Posted on: July 16, 2011 3:59 pm

NCAA checks its swing again in Ga. Tech case

Hey Dennis.  GEORGIA TECH DID NOT CHEAT!  You don't know that Georgia Tech officials "coached" any students when they talked to the NCAA.  You said "coaching a witness" and that would indicate that this whole affair was in some way fair and legal.  Did you actually read the NCAA's report?  I did.  Demaryius Thomas was accused of taking $312 worth of clothes from his cousin's roommate, who works for a sports agent in Atlanta.  The clothes were taken to the Athletic Department with the tags still on them and the Tech compliance office notified the ACC front office.  Another player was accused but did not receive anything.  Everybody knew about it.  The NCAA NEVER declared the two players were ineligible.  The lawyers and Tech's compliance officer looked at it, even interviewed the player that received the clothes and deemed they were indeed eligible to play.  The coach WAS TOLD that they were eligible to play.  If it was such a big deal, why didn't the NCAA IMMEDIATELY jump up and down and scream foul after they played in the highest profile game of the year with the University of Georgia, four days after the NCAA NOW says that they had declared them ineligible???   Why not???  Well, because at that time they played, THEY WERE ELIGIBLE!!!  The NCAA knew all the facts all during that time.  The facts didn't change.  There were no new facts that came out.  Dennis Thomas and his group got mad at Tech because they didn't fall all over themselves and bow down at the Altar of the NCAA!  Even though they did cooperate and did their own investigation, in good faith.  So, they look back, incredulous that Tech dare not give them due respect and prostrate themselves upon the Altar of the Infractions Committee, and slap them down by vacating wins and the ACC Championship and issuing other penalties.  And for what?  Not because of those clothes, but apparently for Tech's staff making their own assessment of the situation and "not being cooperative."  Now come one, does this make any kind of sense at all?  It's pretty transparent.  Dennis Thomas and the Infractions Committee getting ticked of and exerting its power over a school that was proven by Thomas' own investigation to be running a good, ethical program.  Georgia Tech is playing by the rules and running its athletics program in a manner that is consistent with NCAA rules and with respect to the students athletes that work hard and also play by the rules.  SO BACK OFF!!!   

Since: Jul 15, 2011
Posted on: July 15, 2011 8:34 pm

NCAA checks its swing again in Ga. Tech case

The comment on Coach Johnson "returning the $200,000" is a cheap shot against a good man.  He knew when he left Navy and took the job about the problems GaTech had and still took the job.  He's a man of integrity and these problems would not have occcurred had he been the coach when they did occur ~ that's why they hired him, to clean up the mess.  GaTech has been a pillar of college football for decades and will bounce back from this minor set back, and Coach Johnson is just the man to get them throught it.  Compared to what Ohio State did/tolerated/overlooked/endorsed this is minutia.

Since: Mar 18, 2009
Posted on: July 15, 2011 5:47 pm

NCAA checks its swing again in Ga. Tech case

Whatever, OJ.

Since: Nov 18, 2008
Posted on: July 15, 2011 2:43 pm

NCAA checks its swing again in Ga. Tech case

Further research looks like it will show that there wasn't even proof that there was any violation by the GA Tech athletes but the NCAA came down on GA Tech because they thought the AA didn't cooporate in their investigation to clear them.



Since: Mar 18, 2009
Posted on: July 15, 2011 2:40 pm

NCAA checks its swing again in Ga. Tech case

Let's pretend your version is the truth and nothing but the truth.  What was reported indicates the biggest mistake made was not the sale of the items to an agent's associate, but the way everything was handled beyond that point.  "Coaching" the players on what to expect from the NCAA inquiry IS part of the bigger problem, not just at GT but all major schools around the country, who think they are either bigger than the "law" or somehow immune to the guidelines that EVERY ONE of them knows to the letter.  This crap about being surprised or that the timing was bad in any way excuses a poorly managed compliance process is nothing but fan favortism and spinning to justify the most comfortable version of the story.  Go Jackets!

Since: Jul 6, 2011
Posted on: July 15, 2011 2:37 pm
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Since: Nov 18, 2008
Posted on: July 15, 2011 2:08 pm

NCAA checks its swing again in Ga. Tech case

Let's get the facts straight.

Two players were hanging out with a former player who was their friend, who happened to be from Atlanta (he transferred to GA Tech from Auburn to be near his family). He offerred them each a couple of cheap shirts and cheap watches (we're talking around $350.00, not a Rolex, an automobile, or a trip to Disneyworld), and, thinking their friend who had recently graduated was working being nice giving them some presents, they accepted. It turned out that their former teammate and friend affiliated himself with an agent after college, and never bothered to tell his friends. They never knew he had any "relationship" with any agent, nor did they have any intentions of having any contact with anyone who did. As soon as they found out there was some sort of a connection, the items were returned immediately and the former player and friend was banned from campus and contact from all players.

Now common sense should tell you that if you intended on taking a bribe from an agent, or anyone for that matter, it would probably be for an amount higher than $350.00. Heck, this amount is LESS than the value the kids get at most bowl games as their gift bags. This doesn't make any logical sense.

Regarding the issue of GA Tech giving the kids a "heads up" to the investigation. I would suggest that the Coaches are acting as guardians of the players while they are on campus (in liue of parents), and they have a responsibility to tell them of things that may affect them. This would include the fact that they might be contacted by someone from the NCAA about a certain issue, what to expect during the questioning session, and how/when their responses might come out and affect the team and their reputation. I'm sure they would always be told to be honest. I can guarantee the wouldn't be prepped as to how to answer the questions or what they might be as the NCAA keeps things close to their vest. I would also suggest that their may be a finanical liability to the University if they FAILED to meet their responsibilities to their student athletes, which I would include helping them through the NCAA inquiry.

Finally, GA Tech was notified so late in the season that this was happening that they weren't sure how to react without affecting someone negatively. If there was no truth to the issues, and the two players were held out of the final games over $350.00, then the Yellow Jackets might very well have lost the ACC Championship, and that wasn't fair to the rest of the team. Since the amount was so small and not obvious to anyone, it was not something that could be handled in a timely manner nor should it have been noticed by ANYONE, including the players, and the NCAA should have given GA Tech time to review the issues until after the season to get more facts before forcing their hand. This wasn't a matter of not complying with the NCAA investigation; it was a matter of trying to do the right thing by all parties involved; for the sake of fairness.

Finally, I would suggest that the NCAA and GA Tech just spent in excess of $100,000 investigating an issue revolving around a $350.00 misunderstanding. Something is fundamentally wrong with this, especially with the current state of our economy. Someone needs to put a stop to these types of witch hunts.

Since: Mar 18, 2009
Posted on: July 15, 2011 1:06 pm

NCAA checks its swing again in Ga. Tech case

Classic denial is at least humorous.  Everyone wants a level playing field except in his back yard.  Religious hypocrites fade quickly compared to the numb brained sports fan, who believes and fiercely defends only the good news that comes from "his" program or team. 

The NCAA and the BCS and the U.S. government may all be "jokes," but the biggest joke of all are the indignant, self-righteous buffoons, who play the conspiracy and ineptitude cards with their pitifully loud whimpers, the minute their school's holinesss is challenged by anyone, especially anyone from the media or from Satan himself, the NCAA.

Somebody needs to drive this criminally insane bus.  And without question, none of us shallow minded "fans" are up to it.

Hoke is a Joke
Since: May 18, 2011
Posted on: July 15, 2011 10:11 am
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