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Feedback: 8/5

Posted on: August 5, 2011 12:39 pm
Edited on: August 5, 2011 12:42 pm
 
A week to go until Ohio State's infractions committee hearing. Good see the Bucks' level-headed fans have accepted reality.

This week's feedback feed bag. Write on ...



From: blueriver

The worst thing about being a running back in the SEC...u have to take a pay cut when you go the NFL.


You're My Boy Blue:


So what you're saying is Mark Ingram needs to tell Trent Richardson to start saving his money?



From:
GrouchoDuck

Good series, one of the problems is the painfully slow investigation process.

What is the NCAA going to know about Cam Newton next year that they didn't know last year? It took four years to rule against Reggie Bush, his parents were openly living in a house provided by a booster. The NCAA needs to start by making the process simpler and quicker. They should have already ruled for or against Oregon. The way they process information allows for too much posturing and media manipulation, by all sides involved.


Somebody Step On A Duck?:

Your last sentence is the most profound.

The NCAA has shortened the length of investigations. I was at The (Mock) Enforcement Experience in May at the NCAA. They made it known that the length of the average case has dropped from more than four years to 10 months.

Good on them. While USC gets a lot more attention, the process has become more streamlined. Ohio State has gone from the Buckeye Five to Indianapolis in less than eight months. North Carolina is about to be hammered in a relatively short amount of time.

What the NCAA has never gotten is public perception. Maybe it doesn't know. Maybe it doesn't care. But because the process is so secretive, it invites speculation. That's not going to change if a case lasts five months or five years.

I think a lot of the mystery would be cleared up if the infractions committee hearings were made public. I'm told that's a non-starter because it would cause witnesses to clam up. The NCAA can compel only players, coaches and administrators. Consider that Jim Tressel is coming to Indianapolis next week out of the goodness of his heart. That, and maybe he wants to work again.

So how does making the hearings public change the NCAA's ability that much to gather information? Investigators can use only on-the-record information to support an allegation. No anonymous sources. Making that public at least would peel back a layer of secrecy and make the process more credible.



From: Fergus

Dennis, I liked the article on the NCAA cheating. I live in the United Kingdom and am involved with football, not soccer, over here. In my experience the only real cheats in the game are the coaches, so the easy solution to the problem is fire the coaches - ALL of them, then ban them for a period of five years afterwards.

Fergie:

And I thought I was a radical.



From: Jeff

You are the Nancy Grace of CFB. Sorry, Nancy Grace. Your intent to start the cleanup in Columbus is misguided. It's like treating the symptom and not the disease. The NCAA should take Michael Jackson's advice and start with the man in the mirror as they are the disease. Ohio State, USC, Oregon, Cam Newton's dad are merely the symptoms.


Headline Newshound:


There is no comparison between us. I'm more handsome than Mr. Grace.


From:
Mitch

Awesome article about Coach Leach, Mr. Dodd. I haven't always agreed with your opinions, but I agree that Leach was railroaded in Lubbock. I hope he ends up coaching again somewhere. College football players and fans miss him.


Pirate Fan:

Unfortunately, Leach won't be able to bring his special brand of swashbuckling back to the field until his lawsuits are cleared up. I'm beginning to think the legal battle will stretch into 2012 and keep him out of coaching until at least 2013.



From:
TrojanFan

I disagree with the use of the words "cheaters" and "cheating" in reference to NCAA off-the-field of play code of conduct violations.

You cheat to win. Accepting money or gifts or meals does not help you win an athletic contest, but it is a violation of the code of conduct. Let's call a spade a spade. The emotional buzz words "cheat" and "cheaters" distort the issue. The problem is third parties, aka sports agents involvement and fair compensation for football players who make millions for the school and NCAA. That is the issue that needs to be addressed , not the fact that cheaters appear to be running rampant.


Trojan Man:

We're arguing semantics. Let's change the word "cheat" to "wrongdoing". I don't care. While those Ohio State players may not have been cheating in the truest sense of the word, they were getting extra benefits that the normal student and the overwhelming majority of their teammates don't get.

It also rendered them retroactively ineligible (just like Reggie Bush). Both USC (by the NCAA) and Ohio State (on their own) vacated wins from the effected seasons. It is assumed that most schools' players don't combine to take five figures in extra benefits (Ohio State) or six figures in houses, trips and cash (Bush).

Both cases involve third parties. Agents with Reggie Bush and a tattoo parlor owner at Ohio State. I think you've made a good case, it just needs to be categorized. There is cheating, wrongdoing and negligence. That about sums up every case.



From: Bama Fan

Hi, Dennis. Nice article about programs and the need to cheat if you want to win. To me, it's kind of like the sport of cycling and the need for the best riders to use performance-enhancing drugs.

You are a great rider and competitor and some guy, heck a lot of guys, who shouldn't even be close to seeing your backside is flying past you up a mountain. You have two choices...Accept it and be an anonymous rider in the pack or get your own performance enhancement drugs!

If you are a competitor, you will, in all likelihood, choose the latter. I grew up an Alabama fan in the 70's and the past 15 years, minus 2008-2011, have been a real trial for me. Not just because of the lack of sustained success on the field. But mainly because of the compliance issues of the program and the mark it has left on the reputation of the university. But I honestly believe that the administration and athletics department at the University of Alabama are now really trying to run a clean program.

The (recent) report of the 36 secondary violations is encouraging to me, actually. It shows the compliance department is doing their job. I think I would be more worried, if they weren't reporting these types of violations. You gotta admit some of this stuff is pretty minor.


Bammer:

It is minor, but it has to be reported. Those secondary violations are just that -- secondary. Basically, no one cares except taunting Auburn fans.

But schools are encouraged to report everything. If not, the NCAA gets suspicious. Everything includes every minor infraction, which usually don't amount to much. What hurts Alabama is that the athletic department has been slapped with four cases involving major violations in the last 14 years (three in football).

Combine that with hyper fans and a little thing like 36 secondaries becomes a big deal. Alabama and the SEC have a long history of wrongdoing. I agree that I think the school is being more vigilant. I also know that the next scandal could be right around the corner. Climbing that mountain almost demands it.



From:
Dave

Does the Ereck Plancher trial place George O'Liar in hotter water than his performance would otherwise indicate at UCF?


Dave:

The answer is easy. George O'Leary has won two of the last four Conference USA titles and taken the Knights to four bowls in the last six years.



From:
Vicki

Dennis, It sounds like the real story is the fact that Danny Sheridan claims to have a source for 25 years at the NCAA that leaks. REALLY? Wouldn't hurt to look into that...


Reading Between the Li(n)es:

That's one of the first things I thought of. I'm sure Mark Emmert would like to know too. It appears there is at least one mole inside the NCAA enforcement division.



From: Tim

Hey where is the APOLOGY for all the crap about The Ohio State University? I was expecting it yesterday or today.


Get Bucked:

What, did I miss a violation somewhere?



From: Mark

You need the season to begin...games to analyze. You are a loudmouth fool.


Marked Man:

One that you obviously read. Let the games begin. Please.
Comments

Since: Jul 23, 2011
Posted on: August 10, 2011 11:36 am
 

Feedback: 8/5

Dodd is an idiot who doesn't bother to check his facts.  Unfortunately, College Sports Fan doesn't bother to check either.  Consequently, Dodd's big lies (like Ohio State getting $20 million because they played ineligible players - HA!) gain traction among the fan base, which then demands that Ohio State "be made an example of."

Ignorance breeds ignorance.  But there's not a lot we Ohio State supporters can do about it.  Fortunately, the NCAA Committee on Infractions is unlikely to regard their role as one of convicting without evidence. 



Since: Aug 15, 2006
Posted on: August 10, 2011 9:38 am
 

Feedback: 8/5

Again, look at the fact that all 5 Ohio State players got to play in the bowl last year even though A.J. Green of the SEC, who did much, much less, couldn't.
Moron, again this is the comment I replied to.

1. AJ Green didn't miss a bowl game.
2. The jersey was the property of the university.
3. He sold it to an agent.
4. He got straight up cash.

The tat 5
1. Some sold items that were GIVEN TO THEM. Others use property from the university like AJ Green.
2. They received discounted tattoos for them.


AJ Green got four games. They got five games.

You are a hypocrite...






Since: Aug 15, 2006
Posted on: August 10, 2011 9:30 am
 

Feedback: 8/5

Selling to an agent is a no-no, but selling to a drug-dealing tattoo artist, and memorabilia reseller is just A-ok in his deluded fantasy world.
Hey moron. Did you catch the arrest record of the runner for the agent AJ sold the shirt (can you say drugs and stealing)? Hypocrite!

Thanks for the laugh! You go out of your way to state that the players were worse than AJ Green, but only come full circle to prove that not only were they similar, but AJ's was worse. Yet the players got five games and AJ got four..

Spare me the recycled bullcrap juvenile insults. It only shows everyone that you are incapable of having an adult conversation about a topic and a force to use lies and stupid lines to cover your tracks.




Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: August 9, 2011 3:36 pm
 

Feedback: 8/5

but all of the Ohio State gear (given from the school,
For the record, three sold their own necklaces.  Nothing from the school....

Carry on with the insane drivel...
For the accurate record, they sold mementos given to them (like a jersey) for beating Michigan (wow, what an accomplishment).  If they had sold their own necklaces (why do your football players wear necklaces??), we wouldn't be having this discussion whackadoo.

I bet you are a wrestling fan - anything with a willful suspension of disbelief appeals to you apparently.  Man what a loon...



Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: August 9, 2011 3:33 pm
 

Feedback: 8/5

So let me get this straight, Green's jersey didn't belong to him but all of the Ohio State gear (given from the school, JUST like Green's jersey, but times 5 lol) did?
is five games (with a suspended season) more than 4 games? Selling to an agent is a big no-no!

How convenient.  These Ohio State homers need to take off the blinders and see what EVERYONE else sees
uhhhh, re-read the statement above.

You lack the basic ability to compare events, because you don't admit that some events happened i.e. institutionalized cheating by Tressel and company.
Again. Re-read the statement above... Now cry again about someone not being able to read..
If you want to know why you should stay in school kids, just read a gobucks post and you will scared into getting a doctorate.  Selling to an agent is a no-no, but selling to a drug-dealing tattoo artist, and memorabilia reseller is just A-ok in his deluded fantasy world.  So, is 5 offenders more than one offender (and the one offender still less severe than the repeated institutionalized actions of Ohio State)?  In my math yes.  In yours and Katzenmoyers, I guess not, but math being what it is, I'm fairly certaion my statement "5 is more than 1" will hold up, even under your tenacious scrutiny lol.

So again, 5 players who sold school-given merchandise to a now-federally indicted drug-dealer and memorablia hawker/black-market seller get to play in a bowl game while the guy who sold just 1 jersey, and just once (the Ohio State players sold multiple objects on multiple occasions) doesn't.  No why is that "fair" again?  You are so blinded by your school colors that you can't even see the obvios kid glove treatment that EVERYONE else sees.

Now top it off with the fact that not only did the coach know about it, but he lied about it and didn't stop it.  The school "president" admits that he is a puppet and stooge of the athletic department and we have textbook lack of institutional control.

So why would I keep re-reading your false, fictitous, and erroneous statements?  I have to ask however, how was it having less wins than, well, everybody last year? 

Go away cheating lover and learn what accountability means.  Seriously, sack up and try to be a man.



Since: Aug 15, 2006
Posted on: August 9, 2011 1:44 pm
 

Feedback: 8/5

but all of the Ohio State gear (given from the school,
For the record, three sold their own necklaces.  Nothing from the school....

Carry on with the insane drivel...



Since: Aug 15, 2006
Posted on: August 9, 2011 1:40 pm
 

Feedback: 8/5

So let me get this straight, Green's jersey didn't belong to him but all of the Ohio State gear (given from the school, JUST like Green's jersey, but times 5 lol) did?
is five games (with a suspended season) more than 4 games? Selling to an agent is a big no-no!

How convenient.  These Ohio State homers need to take off the blinders and see what EVERYONE else sees
uhhhh, re-read the statement above.

You lack the basic ability to compare events, because you don't admit that some events happened i.e. institutionalized cheating by Tressel and company.
Again. Re-read the statement above... Now cry again about someone not being able to read..



Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: August 9, 2011 11:47 am
 

Feedback: 8/5

You must not be refering to Ohio State, as they did indeed do everything Dodd reported. Look at what happened to Clemson, and what they did, or didn't do, was like a 2 on scale of 1 - 10 while Ohio State's was text book loss of organizational control; it was a 9. 
Sorry. Not true. you can keep trying to lie, but it won't turn into the truth.

Again, look at the fact that all 5 Ohio State players got to play in the bowl last year even though A.J. Green of the SEC, who did much, much less, couldn't.  Why the double standard?  Why does the Big-10 ALWAYS get off easier?
Yes. AJ Green sold a jersey to a runner for an agent and got four games. These guys sold items of their own and got five games and an entire season whipped off the map... Great reference...
So let me get this straight, Green's jersey didn't belong to him but all of the Ohio State gear (given from the school, JUST like Green's jersey, but times 5 lol) did?

How convenient.  These Ohio State homers need to take off the blinders and see what EVERYONE else sees - a school that lacked institutional control getting the lightest slap on the wrist since Notre dame lost only 2 scholarships for sending players to Vegas on gambling junkets.  Disgusting.  And even worse you have homer apologists that hate accountability like this gobucks kid - what chance does fair play have?

You lack the basic ability to compare events, because you don't admit that some events happened i.e. institutionalized cheating by Tressel and company.  I bet you don't believe in the moon landing or dinosaurs either do you - what are you, Milton Bradley?



Since: Aug 15, 2006
Posted on: August 9, 2011 10:29 am
 

Feedback: 8/5

You must not be refering to Ohio State, as they did indeed do everything Dodd reported. Look at what happened to Clemson, and what they did, or didn't do, was like a 2 on scale of 1 - 10 while Ohio State's was text book loss of organizational control; it was a 9. 
Sorry. Not true. you can keep trying to lie, but it won't turn into the truth.

Again, look at the fact that all 5 Ohio State players got to play in the bowl last year even though A.J. Green of the SEC, who did much, much less, couldn't.  Why the double standard?  Why does the Big-10 ALWAYS get off easier?
Yes. AJ Green sold a jersey to a runner for an agent and got four games. These guys sold items of their own and got five games and an entire season whipped off the map... Great reference...



Since: Aug 15, 2006
Posted on: August 9, 2011 10:24 am
 

Feedback: 8/5

You must not be refering to Ohio State, as they did indeed do everything Dodd reported. Look at what happened to Clemson, and what they did, or didn't do, was like a 2 on scale of 1 - 10 while Ohio State's was text book loss of organizational control; it was a 9. 
Sorry. Not true. you can keep trying to lie, but it won't turn into the truth.

Again, look at the fact that all 5 Ohio State players got to play in the bowl last year even though A.J. Green of the SEC, who did much, much less, couldn't.  Why the double standard?  Why does the Big-10 ALWAYS get off easier?
Yes. AJ Green sold a jersey to a runner for an agent and got four games. These guys sold items of their own and got five games and an entire season whipped off the map... Great reference...


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