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Looks like Texas A&M to SEC could happen

Posted on: August 11, 2011 12:45 am
Edited on: August 11, 2011 9:28 am
 
Gene Stallings foretold the current upheaval a year ago.

The Aggies former coach and regent said all the right things about staying in the Big 12. But in the same breath Stallings said that if things did break up he'd rather see the school join the SEC rather than the then-Pac-10. Don't forget that Stallings has extensive experience in the SEC as a national championship coach at Alabama.

Obviously, things have progressed -- or degenerated -- since then. Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe said Wednesday night he is taking "very seriously" reports that A&M is in conversations about joining the SEC. There were indications at the Big 12 media days last month that the school was close to joining the SEC in 2010 before it decided to stay with the reconstituted Big 12.

The Aggies continue to lean eastward toward the SEC and away from the Big 12. It's a given that the school feels a certain independence and a desire to break away from Texas' influence. The recent rancor over the Longhorn Network was merely a symptom of that rancor. It still believes the SEC could be a long-term home because ...

--Stability. The SEC has it. The Big 12 doesn’t.

--Money is no object. The payouts in both conferences are essentially going to be equal when the Big 12 goes to market for its primary rights in a couple of years.

--Arkansas is a natural rival from the old Southwest Conference.

--If the SEC were to balance things out at 14 teams (for now), Missouri would be an obvious candidate. That would given the Aggies two travel partners in a league that would stretch from South Carolina to Houston.

As for the SEC, it would love to have recruiting access to Texas. Texas -- and the rest of the surviving Big 12 -- would then have to battle SEC schools coming into the Lone Star State for recruits.

Remember, if this happens it won't be portrayed as a predatory move by the SEC in any way. This will be A&M trying to get away from Texas and strike out on its own. Whether the SEC then chooses to go to 14 or 16 will be the next issue. You can bet the Big Ten and Pac-12 commissioners aren't going to sit on their hands and lose traction in the marketplace.

As far as those long-term deals signed by conferences? They can all be adjusted. I'm told they all include periodic "look-in" clauses that would allow for adjustment due to change in membership.

As crazy as the summer of 2010 was, it's hard to believe that the Big 12 might not make it to the 2011 kickoff with a solid 10 going forward.
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Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: August 12, 2011 6:15 pm
 

Looks like Texas A&M to SEC could happen

This scenario might seem a bit Machiavellian, but it makes perfect sense:

* Slive announces Texas A&M and Missouri will join the SEC in 2013, but adds expansion isn't done yet.

* Later in 2011, Slive and Delany announce a simultaneous expansion to 16 by raiding the ACC -- the Big Ten brings in Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina and Duke, while the SEC takes in Virginia Tech and N.C. State. This allows Delany to bring in four valuable institutions that boost the Big Ten academic/research/all-around athletic profile (especially in men's basketball, as the newcomers have won five of the past 11 NCAA titles), and the SEC also gains a foothold in two growing mid-Atlantic states. Moreover, the ACC is decimated, severely weakening the likes of Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State and Miami (to the advantage of South Carolina, Georgia and Florida). For the SEC and Big Ten to both pursue the ACC, albeit different members for different reasons, prevents either Slive or Delany as being seen as a singular villain. And the ACC, without a marketable football brand, is in its way as vulnerable as the Big 12.

* The Pac-12 now swoops in for expansion, taking the tandem of Oklahoma and Okie State, along with Texas Tech and a 16th school. It could be Texas if UT agrees to assimilate its Longhorn Network into the Pac network; if it won't accept Scott's take-it-or-leave-it offer, Texas Christian ditches the Big East and gets the nod instead.

* What about the leftovers? The six ACC remnants join the Big East football members and what's left of the Big 12 (assuming Texas then goes independent, it's Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Baylor) into one megaconference or two smaller leagues, one perhaps a new incarnation of the ACC.
It makes sense until you add the ACC into it, because you neglected to consider what those schools want. Maryland, North Carolina and Duke helped found the ACC. Maryland has zero desire to leave and its fans are overwhelmingly against joining the Big Ten. Duke and North Carolina are the Texas and Oklahoma of the ACC. Why would they leave the league they headline to become just another team in the Big Ten? Virginia joined in the ACC's second year and is as tied to the league as Maryland, Carolina and Duke are. The Cavaliers aren't going anywhere either.

Then there's Virginia Tech, which tried to get into the ACC for 50 years before it finally happened. They're certainly not accepting an invite from the SEC. That leaves State, and while there's a chance they'd listen, the SEC will not bring in just one new member and State wouldn't leave Carolina, Duke and Wake anyway. So in your scenario, Delany and Slive look like doofuses after going 0-for-6 in convincing their ACC targets to leave. These men didn't get powerful by looking stupid. They'll invite schools who want to join them.

What's going to happen if the 16-team conferences occur is that the Oklahomas will join with Texas A&M and Missouri in the SEC. The Big Ten will have to make a move but can't get any ACC schools, so it's going to have to go for four of Cincinnati, Louisville, Iowa State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers and Syracuse. West Virginia, Connecticut and South Florida all join the ACC, along with one of Pittsburgh, Rutgers and Syracuse. My guess is that the Big Ten goes for Louisville, Iowa State, Pittsburgh and Syracuse after Ohio State uses its power to doom Cincinnati to the MAC, and Rutgers joins the ACC. They could be switched if Pitt decides it would rather be with West Virginia in the ACC, which would send Rutgers to the Big Ten.

Finally, the Pac-12 goes to 16 by plucking Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas and Kansas State. Baylor, the last remaining team from the Big 12, joins either C-USA or the Mountain West. It's not a pretty sight, but there you go.



Since: Aug 15, 2006
Posted on: August 12, 2011 4:59 pm
 

Looks like Texas A&M to SEC could happen

You being an SEC outsider,
Uh, Skref, I'm a Gamecock fan.  If you think that makes me an "outsider" because we came late to the party, i won't argue...but i don't think that's what you meant.

To say LSU has, "no real rivals in the SEC

Uh, yeah, i typed that, and I realize now that it looks stupid.  I wasn't trying to say that you guys don't want to win every single game - just like Arkansas fans want to win the Golden Boot every year because, hey, winning games is what counts.  But you were putting LSU's games with Auburn and Bama on the same level as the Iron Bowl itself, and I don't think that's entirely accurate.  I'll try to explain myself better:

You make the mistake of thinking a team can have but one rival.

No I don't.  Teams often do have several rivals that they simply can't stand.  Sometimes, it's a matter of one team taking it more seriously than the other: Nebraska and Colorado was very heated for years, but the Cornhuskers looked forward to the Oklahoma game each year more than the one with the Buffs.  Bama might not like you, but they like Auburn even less.  That's what I failed to communicate.  Your rivalries with them are not as intense as they are between themselves.

As far as making the schedule easier, it again becomes apparent that you are an SEC outsider.
No.  I'm.  Not.  Sheesh, couldn't you even check my profile?

We don't shy away fom competition lol, we seek it out, especially LSU.  That is why they play Florida from the East every year, and travel out of conference as much as anyone
Uh, I think you play Florida every year because of a thing in the SEC called "permanent rivalries."  It's not because you're trying to uphold some image of "we play the best."  Yes, you deserve all the credit in the world for scheduling Oregon, Vtech, WVU, etc.  So go ahead and explain how McNeese State, Directional Louisiana, North Texas, MTSU, and Tulane keep showing up on your slate, without resorting to the "hey, everybody else does it" defense when, clearly, LSU is not "everybody else."
 
We are seeking an easier schedule.
Having to play one less of Auburn or Alabama each year would definitely fall into this heading, would it not?  That's all I was saying.  Did you go ask Coach Miles if he wouldn't mind not having to face both of those teams every year, given the already-admirable schedule you're putting up?  IT'S TO YOUR ADVANTAGE, tradition be damned.

I understand you wanting to make your little model work, but splitting up LSU, Auburn, and Alabama just isn't going to happen. 
No skin off my nose if "my little model" doesn't work.  I don't stand to lose or gain any money either way.  This is all specualtion, just for fun, you know?

and as all SEC fans know, a sentimental pill that just couldn't be swallowed.
BS.  Everybody swallowed REAL hard when South Carolina and Arkansas were added and you had to forego playing a couple of teams each year in order to get that CCG and bigger footprint.  You would do it again if it meant adding another quality team, especially one in your own backyard.  What exactly would "your little model" be, if A&M and another team were added to the conference?  You going to ask Arkansas and Mississippi State to switch divisions??



Since: Aug 15, 2006
Posted on: August 12, 2011 4:29 pm
 

Looks like Texas A&M to SEC could happen

You really are dense genius. It orginally said current BOR member Gene Stallings. If you would have just stayed out of something you obviously didn't have a clue about I wouldn't have insulted you. Do you really think we would have called him out as it is currently written? Geez man.
You didn't say he HAD edited it, you only said he has the ability to edit.  If you had simply said "he corrected it already, dumarse," then this could have been avoided.

But it's funny to imagine the big vein on your forehead throbbing as you typed your last response.  I'm guessing you're not getting enough of the good stuff at home.  I think King knows of some tranny bars where you could get some action, or something.



Since: Aug 12, 2011
Posted on: August 12, 2011 2:09 pm
 

Looks like Texas A&M to SEC could happen

Aggies will be lost in SEC; they should expect a national title shot 1 or 2 times a century.  Even Texas would struggle getting a title shot once or twice a decade.  Texas will never go east.  Economics might suggest west but logistics say north.  The big 10 has good powerful football but Texas and ou would always have the athleticism and speed advantage.  If we could mega conference with the big 10, it would be like competing with 11 more Nebraska’s.   Texas does not want to be independent (ie ND) and consistently have 2-3 meaningful games a year.  Independents put as much time and consideration into who they are playing and how good they might be at that time as coaching players.  Independents never have a, we will take all comers and the more money the institution makes the less comers they will take.  Texas as an independent would drop them to aggie status immediately.   In fact an independent Texas and an aggie SEC would insure atm would be the top football school in Texas.  Something could just freeze over.




Since: Mar 26, 2010
Posted on: August 12, 2011 11:18 am
 

Looks like Texas A&M to SEC could happen

This scenario might seem a bit Machiavellian, but it makes perfect sense:

* Slive announces Texas A&M and Missouri will join the SEC in 2013, but adds expansion isn't done yet.

* Later in 2011, Slive and Delany announce a simultaneous expansion to 16 by raiding the ACC -- the Big Ten brings in Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina and Duke, while the SEC takes in Virginia Tech and N.C. State. This allows Delany to bring in four valuable institutions that boost the Big Ten academic/research/all-around athletic profile (especially in men's basketball, as the newcomers have won five of the past 11 NCAA titles), and the SEC also gains a foothold in two growing mid-Atlantic states. Moreover, the ACC is decimated, severely weakening the likes of Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State and Miami (to the advantage of South Carolina, Georgia and Florida). For the SEC and Big Ten to both pursue the ACC, albeit different members for different reasons, prevents either Slive or Delany as being seen as a singular villain. And the ACC, without a marketable football brand, is in its way as vulnerable as the Big 12.

* The Pac-12 now swoops in for expansion, taking the tandem of Oklahoma and Okie State, along with Texas Tech and a 16th school. It could be Texas if UT agrees to assimilate its Longhorn Network into the Pac network; if it won't accept Scott's take-it-or-leave-it offer, Texas Christian ditches the Big East and gets the nod instead.

* What about the leftovers? The six ACC remnants join the Big East football members and what's left of the Big 12 (assuming Texas then goes independent, it's Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Baylor) into one megaconference or two smaller leagues, one perhaps a new incarnation of the ACC.




Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: August 12, 2011 2:50 am
 

Looks like Texas A&M to SEC could happen

Yes, the 'boot" was a bit contrived when the series began, but of course a fan of either school would laugh at you for saying the outcome doesn't matter.  Ask any Razorback fan what they think about LSU and vice-versa, and the one thing you won't find is indifference.
Funny, I knew a guy who grew up in Fayetteville and lives and dies with the Razorbacks. The subject of Arkansas-LSU came up, and the one thing I did find was indifference. My friend's exact words were, "LSU is a forced rivalry that nobody really cares about."

LSU might have real rivals in the SEC, but Arkansas fans don't see it that way.



Since: Jun 11, 2010
Posted on: August 12, 2011 1:29 am
 

Looks like Texas A&M to SEC could happen

I actually wish someone from Congress would step in and force a play-off system and then let them realign.



Since: Jun 11, 2010
Posted on: August 12, 2011 1:27 am
 

Wake Up! What the Future Really Holds

I think people are far too short-sighted in all of this talk of conference realignment. A&M moving to the SEC could begin the shuffling of the deck. What I see happening is that we end up with four major conferences who then break off from the NCAA and form their own league. Thus, they could exclude the other 50% of current NCAA schools and GAIN MORE MONEY. IT'S STILL ALL ABOUT MONEY. And, whether you like the Big 10 or not, they have the sharpest and most craftiest president. I can assure you that he is way ahead of everyone else and has plans in store. Don't forget that people laughed at Delaney when he started that little idea of forming their own TV network. Though I am a Big 10 fan, I still say, "Someone stop them (the Big-10), the SEC and the Pac-12 presidents from ruining the game!"



Since: Nov 23, 2008
Posted on: August 11, 2011 7:12 pm
 

Looks like Texas A&M to SEC could happen

Doesn't need to be edited.

Why the insult just because I pointed out an apparent lack of reading comprehension ability?  Is it because you're all upset that mean-ole internet people are calling Texas bad names?

Pobrecito.
You really are dense genius. It orginally said current BOR member Gene Stallings. If you would have just stayed out of something you obviously didn't have a clue about I wouldn't have insulted you. Do you really think we would have called him out as it is currently written? Geez man...



Since: Apr 14, 2011
Posted on: August 11, 2011 6:51 pm
 

Looks like Texas A&M to SEC could happen

These conference names are resembling how B.M.W. names its vehicles.  The B1G Ten has 12 teams whle the Big 12 has ten teams.  Gulf Coast Florida State is in the ACC; Louisiana Tech is the Western Athletic Conference; and Arkansas is in the SEC.  All B.M.W. motorcars have fuel injection, so why to they need the "i"?  The 328i has 3.0 Litre Inline Six; the 335i has a turbo 3.0 Litre Inline Six; the original 740i had a 4.4 Litre V-8, now it has turbo 3.0 Litre Inline Six.  Whatever happened to simple nomenclature like Charger 440 Sixpack? Plymouth Road Runner 426 Hemi?  Southwest Conference?  Ford 427 Cobra? Pontiac Firebird Formula 400 or Trans-AM SD 455?  How about the N.F.L.  Capitol, Central, Century and Coastal Divisions?  My favorite motorcar name is Mercedes-Benz 450 SEL 6.9. 


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