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National notes: What now Missouri?

Posted on: September 27, 2011 5:33 pm
Edited on: September 27, 2011 6:31 pm
 
What now Missouri?

While the school remains conflicted about its place in the Big 12, SEC commissioner Mike Slive pretty much decided Missouri's short-term ambitions when he announced that his league likely will play with 13 teams until at least 2013.

"There are not any other institutions currently under consideration by SEC presidents and chancellors except Texas A&M," Slive repeated again on Tuesday.

As for "informal offers" to Missouri reported by two outlets, it probably comes down to semantics. Define informal. Were these bids made by SEC fans wearing jorts or the commissioner himself? Probably somewhere in between, but certainly not to the level of official consideration by the SEC.

Have there been back-channel communications between the SEC and Missouri? Almost certainly. But legally the SEC can't even hint at an interest in a 14th team. Look what happened to Texas A&M on Sept. 6. It wasn't until the Pac-12 turned down Oklahoma and Texas last week that A&M president R. Bowen Loftin felt comfortable enough to move to the SEC. In other words, when Baylor knew the Big 12 was going to survive there was no need to threaten legal action.

"[At that point], there's really no basis for litigation," Loftin said.

The Show-Me State is in a state of limbo. For the second consecutive year, it has hiked its skirt and flirted a new conference. For the second consecutive year, it could be embarrassed. While that situation could change in 15 minutes, Missouri is in much the same situation it was in June 2010 -- hoping for, but conflicted about taking a lifeline out of the Big 12.

Read between the lines. What's the rush for the SEC? It can play with 13 teams for a couple of years. Who knows if some better school shakes loose? The Big 12 is a daily soap opera. Who knows who is going to be upset tomorrow?



Slive did admit that he has spoken to Loftin about making A&M's first SEC game possibly a stand-alone affair on a special day or at a special time. Think of perhaps Labor Day night Texas A&M vs, maybe, Alabama in a celebration of Bear Bryant? Just speculating.

 


It's been discussed before
but Slive also said there would be discussions about rescinding the two-team limit per conference for BCS bowls. Now that the SEC is the first major conference to grow to 13, it may think it deserves more BCS access.

"There are several issues important enough to have serious discussion," Slive of the BCS going forward. "That would be one of them."




Will Lyles could be the most significant figure of the 2011 season.

The notorious mentor/talent scout/rat now holds the fate of several teams. Lyles told Yahoo! Sports that former Tennessee assistant Willie Mack Garza sent paid for the airfare of Lache Seastrunk for unofficial visit

Several things wrong with that: A school can't pay for unofficial visits. That's why they're unofficial. Garza resigned at USC within a couple of days of Lyles speaking to the NCAA on Aug. 30 in Los Angeles. Oh, and Tennessee just got hit with NCAA penalties, among them "failure to monitor."

The football program got off relatively unharmed when the NCAA penalized Tennessee in August. The NCAA might not be so forgiving if major infractions are found so close together.

The question is, who's next? There's been a buzz since that NCAA sit-down that Lyles has dropped a dime on several schools. In the short term, LSU and Oregon should be concerned. Perhaps Cal as well.

The foundation of this story is an NCAA determined to stamp out third-party influence in college football. Lyles, it seems, has turned state's evidence. All Ohio State did was get to a BCS bowl while its coach intentionally allowed ineligible players to participate. Oregon reportedly asked Lyles to assemble a national recruiting package on fly.

What's worse? I'd be way more worried at Tennessee, LSU, Cal and Oregon.



There has been this rumbling that Texas A&M is making a horrible mistake going to the SEC.

That it is going to be overwhelmed by ES-EE-SEE footbawl. That is has no idea what it is getting into.

Rubbish.

A&M is as committed a football school as there is. I toured the A&M facilities Saturday before the Oklahoma State game and came away impressed. The school's total athletic infrastructure may be better than anything in the SEC. There are fans, I'm told, who park their RVs near the football stadium before the season and don't leave until the last pitch is made in baseball in the spring. That's loyalty.

A&M's one football conference title since the beginnng of 1998, is exactly two less than Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee and Georgia combined in that same time span.

There is no question the Aggies can compete in, and win, the SEC. Here is how I would rate a 13-team SEC in current strength of football program. I'm talking everything, on the field, facilities, recruiting, fans, fund-raising.

Alabama
LSU
Florida
Arkansas
Texas A&M
Auburn
South Carolina
Georgia
Tennessee
Mississippi State
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Vanderbilt



The threat of lightning can postpone a game but when lightning actually strikes, the score stands.

Lightning struck Saturday when Big East officials totally botched that extra point in the Toledo-Syracuse game. The clearly errant Syracuse extra point was ruled good, probably costing Toledo a victory.

Toledo and MAC officials protested but NCAA rules are clear: Once a game is over, it's over. That didn't come into effect a couple of weeks ago in that Utah-USC game.

Here's a solution in such games when officials clearly cost a deserving team a chance at victory (Also see The Fifth Down Game): 

Declare the result vacated. In other words, the stats count by Syracuse and Toledo don't get credit for a win or a loss. Just vacations, same as at Florida State, Alabama and USC for NCAA transgressions, the games simply don't count.

If one or both teams finish 5-6, they would both automatically be bowl eligible (at 6-6). It seems to be the fair thing to do. The screwed team doesn't get a loss and the team that benefits doesn't get a win. Just a thought.



Extending my screed against boards of regents/curators, we give you these brief bios of the Missouri board of curators. These may be the seven people who will decide whether Missouri goes to the SEC.

Warren Erdman -- appointed in 2007 by then governor Matt Blunt. Erdman is executive vice president of administration and corporate affairs for Kansas City Southern. The transportation holding company has investments in the United States, Mexico and Panama.

David Bradley -- was appointed in 2009 by current governor Jay Nixon. Bradley is president of the News-Press & Gazette in St. Joseph.

Don Downing -- appointed in 2009 by Nixon. Attorney who is a former managing general partner of Stinson, Morrison, Hecker in St. Louis and is Missouri's former chief deputy attorney general.

Wayne Goode -- appointed in 2009 by Nixon. A retired former Missouri senator and state representative.

Donald Cupps -- appointed this year by Nixon. Senior partner at Ellis, Cupps and Cole.

Judith Haggard -- appointed in 2007 by Blunt. A family nurse practitioner and drug abuse counselor.

David Steward -- appointed this year by Nixon. Deep breath here, kids. Steward is chairman and founder of World Wide Technology of St. Louis, a leading systems integrator that provides technology products, services and supply chain solutions to customers around the globe.
Comments

Since: Jun 5, 2011
Posted on: September 28, 2011 9:13 am
 

What now Missouri? What street corner?

Missouri is like a desperate street-walker right now.  They will say yes to the first conference that wants to buy what they are selling.  Despite NCAA's marketing of shamateurism, it has been all about the money since Walter Byers first coined the term "student-athlete."  For years, the NCAA's de facto motto has been this: "You reap what you ho."



Since: Mar 20, 2008
Posted on: September 28, 2011 7:15 am
 

National notes: What now Missouri?

"A&M's one football conference title since the beginnng of 1998, is exactly two less than Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee and Georgia combined in that same time span. "

This comment comes across as a bit condescending toward the legacy SEC schools. For the laymen person reading this so called "article", Dodd makes it sound as though A&M is some sort of holy product and the legacy schools mentioned being nothing more than bottom feeders that caught a crum along the way. The statement is correct from a statistics point of view regarding conference titles, but there is more to it than that. Case in point, yes, Tennessee won the conference title in 98, but also went on to defeat Florida State and win the first BCS National Championship that same year. I would think that accomplishment would garner a little more respect.




Since: Nov 26, 2006
Posted on: September 28, 2011 4:09 am
 

HOW IT WILL END UP!

ACC CONFERENCE:
NORTHERN TIER:
BC
CUSE
MARYLAND
PITT
RUTGERS
UCONN
UVA
VT
(NOTRE DAME) IF 18

SOUTHERN TIER:
CLEMSON
DUKE
FSU
GT
MIAMI
NCS
UNC
WAKE
(ULOU OR PENN STATE) IF 18


BIG TEN CONFERENCE:
LEGENDS:
IOWA
MICHIGAN
MSU
MINNESOTA
NORTHWESTERN
NOTRE DAME
NEBRASKA
(MISSOURI OR COLORADO STATE)

LEADERS:
ILLINOIS
INDIANA
MISSOURI
OHIO STATE
PENN STATE
PURDUE
WISCONSIN
(RUTGERS 0R BUFFALO)

NEW BIG-12 CONFERENCE:
BAYLOR
BYU
ISU
KU
KSU
MEMPHIS
OU
OKSU
UT
TT

NEW BIG EAST CONFERENCE:
AIR FORCE
ARMY
NAVY
ECU
TCU
TEMPLE
UCINCY
ULOU
USF
WVU

NEW BIG-12 EAST CONFERENCE:

NEW BIG-12 EAST CONFERENCE:
BAYLOR
BYU
ISU
KU
KSU
OU
OKSU
UT
TT
UCINCY
ULOU
USF
WVU

NEW BIG-16 EAST CONFERENCE:
EAST
ARMY
NAVY
ECU
UCF:
UCINCY
ULOU
USF
WVU

WEST:
AIR FORCE
BAYLOR
BYU
HOUSTON
ISU
KU
KSU
TCU


SEC CONFERENCE:
PROBATION EAST:
AUBURN
FLORIDA
GEORGIA
KENTUCKY
UTENN
SOUTH CAROLINA
VANDERBILT
(WVU OR SOUTHERN MISS)

CRIMINAL EAST:
A&M
ALABAMA
ARKNSAS
LSU
OLE MISS
MISSY STATE
(TCU OR HOUSTON)
(MISSOURI OR TULSA)

PAC-12 CONFERENCE:
NORTH
CAL
OU
OSU
STANFORD
UWASH
WSU
(WYOMING)
(IDAHO)

SOUTH:
UA
ASU
CU
UTAH
UCLA
USC
(SAN DEIGO STATE)
(UNLV)




Since: Feb 11, 2009
Posted on: September 28, 2011 3:55 am
 

National notes: What now Missouri?

There are several people who will decide whether or not Missouri goes to the SEC, and not one of them is named Dennis Dodd, thank God.  Dodd, you are just now discovering that Texas A&M is a football school?  All this time you've been writing about A&M's jump to the SEC and you had not visited the school until recently?  That is the problem with you virtual journalists.  You spend too much time on your keyboards, netsurfing, instead of actually getting out to see for yourself and talking in person to the very people about whom you are writing.  Of course, we shouldn';t be surprised that you just found out how football-committed Texas A&M is.  Last season you just leanred how intense the Alabama/Auburn rivalry has been for years upon years.  So willl Missouri go to the SEC.  Maybe you can do some field journalism and find out.



Since: Sep 22, 2011
Posted on: September 28, 2011 3:27 am
 

National notes: What now Missouri?

You know I really wish that Mizz would commit one way or the other, so we know exactly what is going on here.  As it sits right now it's holding up the works for a whole bunch of different things.  First of all the Big 12 needs to add at least one more team and we know for sure that BYU is their top target, although BYU has some serious strings attached (ie currently being able to keep all the money for themselves and like Texas they have their own network), the likely candidates outside of BYU are Louisville and Cincy from the Big East and possibly West Virginia if they want to go towards having 12 teams (depending on whether Mizz stays or leaves).  In response the ACC will likely grab Rutgers and UConn as a package deal, leaving the Big East royally screwed and finally folding as a football conference (but continuing on in Basketball).  TCU would likely rejoin the Mountain West until a better option came along, unless they decided to go Indy themselves. 



Since: Sep 27, 2011
Posted on: September 27, 2011 11:25 pm
 

National notes: What now Missouri?

Once the money goes to the conference pot, Missouri ain't going nowhere. If the SEC were to add them, they would have to split the Alabama schools or send them East with Florida, Georgia, etc. Ain't happening; If anyone in KC or St. Louis got real excited about Tiger football, the Big 10 would have taken them last time around. 

For Mizzou, if it ain't the Gig 12, its the Big East of CUSA. They better hope the Big 2 plus 7 works out.

As to the Big 12, wouldn't it be cool if they added Boise State, TCU, and BYU, put them with the 3 remaining Texas schools, put OU and OSU with the old Big 8 doormats and went back to a championship game? That would be fun to watch.  



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: September 27, 2011 11:10 pm
 

National notes: What now Missouri?

Like I have been saying, the BIG-12 is a circus tent show full of barkers. One little rumor, one little remark, one little reaction and the place erupts. Yeah this is a stable conference alright. Stable enough for one little firecracker to explode under the seat of the next Big-12 school threatening to bolt. Put this assemblage out of its misery. I get enough soap opera drama during the week days without this to interfere...



Since: Sep 5, 2011
Posted on: September 27, 2011 11:08 pm
 

National notes: What now Missouri?

I agree.  We know its coming so why leave the fans hanging for so long.  Go ahead, take the step, and get over the big sign-in day.



Since: Nov 7, 2008
Posted on: September 27, 2011 10:43 pm
 

National notes: What now Missouri?

There should never be a lower standard for communicating properly ....



Since: Sep 2, 2009
Posted on: September 27, 2011 10:21 pm
 

National notes: What now Missouri?

You mentioned Texas A&M possible play Alabama on Labor. If you check your Records Alabama is alreading playing Michigan in Dallas. So not an option.

Maybe Texas A&M can play Arkansas. That would be a nice start to the year. 


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