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Source: Big 12 best to stay at 9

Posted on: September 30, 2011 12:40 am
Edited on: September 30, 2011 12:53 am

The Big 12 should not expand in order to maximize its earning power, a source intimately involved in the conference's TV negotiations told on Thursday.

"If it were me I'd try to stay where I am," said the source. "Nine months ago they had the same money for 10 teams. Is anything going to change if they have nine?"

Texas A&M's formal departure to the SEC this week reduced the Big 12 to nine teams. Missouri is still contemplating whether also to pursue membership in the SEC. With nine teams, the source said, not only would the conference get an expected windfall for its primary rights fees following the 2015 season, it would provide nine more non-conference games as inventory.

"That's more attractive to the networks than BYU-Iowa State," said source who did not want to be identified because of his relationship with the league.

BYU is widely speculated to be joining the Big 12 should it expand. A nine-team league would allow the Big 12 to keep playing a round-robin conference schedule (eight games) while scheduling four non-conference games. The league currently plays a nine-game conference schedule with three non-conference games.

Both Fox and ESPN committed to saving the league in 2010 after the Pac-12 almost raided the Big 12 of half of its team. The 10 remaining schools were guaranteed approximately $20 million each when the conference's primary rights deal with ESPN expired after the 2015-16 academic year.

Fox began to fulfill that promise when the league agreed to a $1.13 billion deal for 13 years for its secondary rights earlier this year. The source said neither Fox nor ESPN were going pay less than promised in 2010 for the Big 12 at nine teams, or perhaps even eight teams. It's not clear if Fox or ESPN have a cancellation clause of their contracts if league membership falls below a certain number.

Staying at nine, said the source, would make it easier for conference schools to get to that $20 million per-team plateau. For example, with nine teams the new Fox deal alone is worth $9.6 million per team. In the latest round of conference realignment schools either are a "brand" or have markets. While more teams would bring more inventory (games) to bid on, the question is: Would each new school bring $20 million to the table individually?

The Big 12 has a long way to go before answering that question. It hasn't been determined whether the schools have committed their primary media rights to the conference for six years. That would essentially hold the conference together but no one is quite sure where that issue stands. Oklahoma president David Boren said a week all the remaining schools had agreed. Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton merely said the issue was being discussed.

The Missouri board of curators will reportedly meet on Tuesday. The board could merely empower Deaton to seek another conference although there is no indication which way the school is leaning.

Big 12 expansion speculation is all over the map -- from staying at nine to going to 16 teams.





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Since: Aug 31, 2011
Posted on: September 30, 2011 12:51 pm

Source: Big 12 best to stay at 9

Yes the Big 10 is the winner here...Wait, does anybody believe that Wisconsin or Nebraska are a legitimate title contender?  All that happened here is that there are more people in the U.S. that hate Big 10 teams.  If they would just add Notre Dame I could almost cheer against everybody in the Big 10. I am not a fan of the SEC but do respect their teams much more than I do the Big 10.  All of this re-allignment crap wouldn't matter near as much if we had a playoff system for the top 8 teams.  It is funny how you talk about Missouri coming in and it being ok, but then say how they would be crushed by the SEC.  Kind of makes it sound like you think your conference is much weaker than the SEC.

Since: Mar 26, 2011
Posted on: September 30, 2011 12:43 pm

Source: Big 12 best to stay at 9

Texas, as usual, is going to have the final say here. I think somebody brought this up in an earlier post; but this might allow Texas to keep the A&M game...... and more importantly, get it on TLN. Unless a major school came into play, it makes more sense to keep the conference at 9 or 8. The BCS berth is always there if it's 8, 9, 10,...... etc.

Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: September 30, 2011 12:32 pm

Source: Big 12 best to stay at 9

Love how the Big Ten just sitting back and letting this madness ensue. they went and got their 12th team, and now, theyre content with watching the rest of the conferences burn, theyre like the joker of the conferences, if this is the dark knight...the SEC isnt batman, theyre two-face, looks good at first, but is really a crazy idiot in the end...I hate the SEC. If the Big Ten did get involved, I would see logically that Notre Dame and Missouri would work from a geographic standpoint, but Missouri wants to get crushed in the SEC, either way is fine by me.

Since: Oct 18, 2009
Posted on: September 30, 2011 12:32 pm

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I just love this weeks ESPN power rankings that show the Big 12 as #1 followed closely by the SEC with all others far behind.  and this is with all the crap that has happened to the Big 12 for over a year.  Just think if none of the realignment and defections had not happened.  Anyway this week the Big 12 is #1 and my proof is in the power rankings from ESPN, if you feel differntly give us all your proof, not your biased opinion.  BOOMER

Since: Aug 31, 2011
Posted on: September 30, 2011 12:12 pm

Source: Big 12 best to stay at 9

Boomer, I made the point about bringing in West Virginia a few days ago on another post and people shot it down because no other conferences wanted them.  I felt that they bring competitive football and basketball to the conference.  I also feel it'd open up some more eastern recruiting.  I think Louisville would be a good add as well for basketball's sake but it is hard to sell anybody on bringing in a school for basketball.   I was a huge fan of going to the pac 12 because i thought i'd give OU a chance to get some big name recruits out of California over time...but that didn't work out.  I am ok with adding teams, but I want them to be the right teams.

Since: Mar 8, 2011
Posted on: September 30, 2011 12:12 pm

Source: Big 12 best to stay at 9

stevephoenix writes "To but it to the Big 12 schools and there fans is that you guys suck and can't compete with the likes of the Pac-12, Big 10, or the SEC."  Apparently the Big 12 can compete academically. Now go flip another burger Steve.

I second the notion that if the Big 12 expands (and it should), it needs to look out of the state of TX.  Go after BYU, Boise St, Air Force, Louisville, Cincy. Expand that geographic area a bit.  Add football and basketball schools (Boise St not so much in basketball).  TCU is having a great run with Gary Patterson, but I don't think adding another TX school really does much for overall revenue. I hope Patterson stays there, but if he bolts, I'd worry about them staying relevant, as well.  That's not me being critical of TCU.  I love the underdogs.

To respond to the poster that said nobody cares for Big 12 rivalries outside of their respective states, I say "So?"  I really don't think many people care for rivalry games like the fans of the two schools involved. Some garner outside interest more than others, but don't think that someone outside of SEC country cares about Alabama/Auburn as much as you do. 

Since: Oct 18, 2009
Posted on: September 30, 2011 12:09 pm

Source: Big 12 best to stay at 9

There are a lot of differing opinions here and several make good points, even when they don't agree.  Truth is no one knows what is going to happen.  The conference is not stable yet and until it is I doubt anyone will want to join.  The agreement to give TV rights to the conference is not a done deal and may never happen.  Looking at it from a football fans point of view add, TCU, Boise and BYU to amake a great football conference, not counting TV sets or anything else just the level of competition. College football is so controversial it has to be the best sport on the planet.  We all get to guess whats going to happen when in fact none of us know, but it sure is fun to speculate.

Since: Nov 9, 2006
Posted on: September 30, 2011 11:57 am

Source: Big 12 best to stay at 9

I like the idea of the "Big 9". Of course I preferred the Big 8 to the Big 12. To me, having more than 10 teams in a conference means you don't really have a conference.

If you can't fit everyone in your conference on your schedule once for football, and twice for basketball, then your Conference is too large. It's the familiarity with one another that creates rivalries, as well as regional proximity. Having a 16 team Conference spread out over half the country is absurd. It's a conference in name and TV revenue only.

Since: Oct 24, 2007
Posted on: September 30, 2011 11:48 am

Source: Big 12 best to stay at 9

What's worse?: Expanding your conference in order to raise revenue or keeping your conference small in order to keep revenue? I personally think a conference staying small to hoard the guaranteed money is gutless. NCAA Football needs more big strong conferences than all these small worthless ones.

The Big 12 should add BYU, Louisville and think long and hard about TCU, Houston and SMU. Those 14 teams expand the Big 12 market base with UL and BYU, but they also lock down Texas which might lessen the blow of A&M leaving.

Since: Apr 20, 2009
Posted on: September 30, 2011 11:42 am

Source: Big 12 best to stay at 9

Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas, & Kansas State are not leaving the Big 12. The Pac-12 doesn't want them, The Big 10 and SEC don't want them either. The only option is the ACC, and they are already at 14.

The Pac-12 is not expanding and the Big ten is not expanding. Where they going to go? Plus each school will get an increase in money.

The Longhorn Network keeps Texas in the Big 12. So staying at 9 isn't that far-fetched

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