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National notes: Source of Missouri's indecision

Posted on: October 11, 2011 1:57 pm
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We're starting to get a clearer picture of the momentous decision Missouri has to make.

The school could make as much as $12 million more per year in the SEC according to this Monday Associated Press story

The AP obtained the document that was shown to the school's board of curators last week. It contains details about academics but the juicy stuff is the money. As reported previously, Missouri would face a significant exit fee if it leaves for the 2012 season.  The document pointed out Missouri would make approximately $2 million less in revenue staying in the Big 12 compared to the average SEC school in fiscal 2012 ($19.25 million-$17.16 million).

The real money is in the future where the SEC is two years into its 15-year, $3 billion deal with ESPN and CBS. At issue seems to be how that additional $12 million could be made.

I talked to multiple TV sources who could come up with, at most, an $8 million-$10 million increase for Missouri. That includes the extra money gained from the SEC title game. Also, there is normal yearly escalation in the contract that is currently paying that $19 million per year to SEC members.

The document could be referring to the back end of that 15-year deal. Typically, long-term contracts are "back-ended" where an escalating amount of money is paid at the end of the deal. That's one of the reasons why CBS partnered with TBS and Turner on a new NCAA tournament basketball deal. It was easier to redo the deal than to pay the bigger rights fees at the end of the old contract.

The other possibility is a much-discussed "SEC Network". Technically, that's the description of the current ESPN deal that distributes the conference across multiple platforms. What's being speculated, though, is a new revenue generator -- a bundling of the conference's third-tier rights to form a new cable entity. That theoretically would include one non-conference game from each school.

Each SEC school gets the rights to that one a year to telecast on a pay-per-view basis. The conference would have to negotiate to reclassify those rights so that they could be bundled.

As far as a windfall for the SEC by merely expanding to 14 teams, slow down. I'm told that the increase in revenue would be negligible. Remember, that additional revenue from expansion would be a negotiation. If the parties (ESPN, CBS) can't come to an agreement with the SEC on a new number then the issue goes to arbitration.

ESPN and CBS will rightly argue that they're already in Texas, where the SEC already does well in the ratings. The SEC will counter that it has added value. Big 12 interim commissioner Chuck Neinas said Monday he doubted the $12 million figure, adding that Missouri will be a Big 12 member for 2012-13.

Neinas said for Missouri to gain an extra $12 million per year, the SEC would have to increase their TV revenue by $168 million.

Missouri never seems to be able to do anything privately when it comes to these matters. Remember, it was Gov. Jay Nixon who is blamed by many for touching off this latest round of realignment. There have been dueling "leaks" starting with an anonymous Missouri official last week saying that the Big Ten was the school's first choice.

Monday's AP story seems to counter that by stating how rich Missouri could become by moving. In the end, it points up how divided Missouri is on the subject. There is no clear consensus. Does the SEC want that?

Missouri is obviously concerned about the instability of the Big 12. The league is basically guaranteed to stay together for only the next six years. The SEC could be a lifetime decision.

The Big 12's newest head coach already has some advice for Missouri.

"Stay in the Big 12," TCU's Gary Patterson said. "It's a better fit. Same with me as far as [speculation about] taking jobs. I know what my plusses and minuses are here. Everybody thinks it's going to be a better place if they change conferences."

 


Is Texas soft?

The question has been asked so often -- accusingly -- over the years that it is part of the Longhorn hater's talking points. But the issue has come up again this week as the depth and breadth of Texas' loss to Oklahoma starts to settle in.

Saturday's 38-point win was the largest for Oklahoma in the Red River series since 2003 and the fifth-largest margin in the history of the rivalry. OU had eight sacks for 84 negative yards, 113 yards in tackles for loss. Texas' 259 total yards was three more than OU had in sacks, tackles for loss and fumble/interception returns.  Defensive end Frank Alexander had a career day with three sacks, four tackles for loss, a forced fumble, a recovered fumble, a quarterback hurry and six total tackles.

"This was my last one," Alexander said. "I wanted to go out with a bang."

"It's not like we were playing the Little Sisters of the Poor, right?" Bob Stoops said.

That's to be debated. Any encouragement Texas got from starting 4-0 had to be diminished as the Horns go into the Oklahoma State game. One Dallas columnist went back to a season preview magazine to one of those quotes from an anonymous coach sizing up Texas before 2011.

"The guys they are taking are good-character kids, and good for them. But they don’t' get a lot of kids who have overcome a lot of adversity. How tough are they?"

We're about to find out. Mack Brown is 13-0 in games immediately following Oklahoma.

 

 

Did the state of Florida just detach from the United States?

Seems that way. It's clear that something is wrong in the Sunshine State. There was no team from the state in the top 25 for the first time since 1982. But there are rational reasons. Miami and Florida have new coaches. Florida State has been on a downturn for a decade.

What's new? Nothing much in the SEC. LSU and Alabama continue to be two of the most dominant teams in the country. Florida just got done playing them back-to-back.

"You can't get any tougher than LSU and Alabama," former Auburn coach Pat Dye said.

Miami was hurt by suspensions. It will be hurt by coming NCAA penalties in the Nevin Shapiro case. Florida State is the biggest surprise, rather disappointment. After the hype leading up to the Oklahoma game, the Seminoles have been one of the biggest underachievers of the season.

It will get fixed. All three schools won't be down for long. Florida has tremendous injury problems at quarterback. Miami has lost to Maryland, Kansas State and Virginia Tech by a combined 15 points.

 


Mike Stoops can now be himself. Expect Arizona's just-fired coach to surface quickly as an assistant somewhere. His name has already been attached to Kansas which is dead last in total defense.

KU would owe sitting coach Turner Gill the $6 million left on his contract if it fired him after this season. In one of the biggest potential boat races of the season, Kansas hosts No. 3 Oklahoma Saturday night.

Bob Stoops said he would be willing to hire his younger brother: "Sure, if I got enough money to. He's going to have a lot of opportunities. I know that."

 

One more on Arizona: AD Greg Byrne got out ahead of the competition by making the move on Mike Stoops in midseason. If nothing else, he can pursue a successor with a clear conscience without sneaking around behind his coach's back.

That puts Arizona ahead of UCLA, among others, which has a decision to make on Rick Neuheisel.  

 


TCU AD Chris Del Conte admits that his program's inclusion into the Big 12 gives it a boost in recruiting against in-state big brother Texas. But as Patterson pointed out, the coach was already recruiting against Texas in some instances.

Del Conte, in a strange way, reiterated Patterson's ability to develop players.

"We overanalyze five-star recruits. The greatest player when I was growing up in Taos, N.M. was a giant," Del Conte said. "but he was 5-7 in eighth grade. I was the only guy [back then] who took my shower with my underwear on. It was like, 'Whoa guys, I'm not ready for that.' "

 

 

My Heisman top five this week:

1, Tyrann Mathieu, LSU -- Best in this category since Charles Woodson?

2, Andrew Luck, Stanford -- Plays like Peyton Manning. Now, in the NFL.

3, Trent Richardson, Alabama -- Never thought he'd be a workhorse like this.

4, Russell Wilson, Wisconsin -- Look for Russellmania to explode this week against Indiana. 

5, Robert Griffin, Baylor -- Legitimacy of candidacy should be decided this week against Texas A&M. 

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Since: Jan 7, 2010
Posted on: October 13, 2011 4:04 pm
 

National notes: Source of Missouri's indecision

Holy smokes.... a K-STATE fan.... one of the most irrelevant schools in the BIG12 in all of this mess.    Without Kansas, you wouldn't even exist in the COLLEGE SPORTS WORLD.   Ugly sister...giving hand jobs..that would be K-State to KU.... thats some funny stuff.

Yes I do realize that Mizzou is a better fit in the BIG12..... I get that.   What I don't get, is what is wrong with Mizzou seeing what else is "out there" like every other program that matters in the BIG12.. (Sorry, Iowa State, Kansas, K-State, Baylor)  You were all going to get dumped into the WAC....it didn't happen...but someday it probably will.   

When college football moves to a 4-conference, 16 team Superconference...KState is eff'd.... I understand thats hard to live with.    Even Bill Snyder can't save KSU from this... unless he builds some cities in the state of Kansas?    The population, eyeballs, etc just aren't there.

As for the Missouri economy....I think the Chiefs/Royals will continue to do a fine job of enhancing that Missouri economy.

Can you imagine all of the SEC fans flocking to COLUMBIA for gamedays?   Are you kidding me, Mizzou is going to have to add 30,000 seats to Faurot Field, HOTELS, etc....  Economy will still be booming in Missouri...just not Kansas City.   

So quit your crying, and quit using the EXCUSE that all Mizzou wants to do is to be RECOGNIZED.   Its cute, but its played out my brotha.   Except the fact that MIZZOU IS THE HOT CHICK that the SEC wants.   Again, for the following reasons:

1.) Expand the SEC footprint out West.

2.) Eyeballs...  (MIZZOU IS THE ONLY PLAYER IN THE STATE)

3.) Top 25 basketball and football program.

4.) Booster revenue

5.) Education (Top 100 university...AAU membership)

6.) Facilities.... brand new basketball arena...football stadium is top notch as well

7.) Borders 3 SEC schools already.   (Actually closer to all SEC schools than Texas A&M, except to Baton Rouge)

If this isn't enough reasons for the SEC to WANT Mizzou...then I don't know what they want?]

I honestly hope to stay in the BIG12



Since: May 8, 2007
Posted on: October 13, 2011 10:22 am
 

Mizzou overplaying their hand... again.

Hey slippy, and every other mizzou fan out there. I'm gonna laugh my @ss off when your media whore president, AD, and Governor, blow this for you again. It's funny how Mizzou thinks that the BIG12 needs to get its house in order to keep Mizzou in it, when thats exactly what the SEC is thinking about Mizzou. Your school constantly leaks information that no other school in the SEC would.

The only reason A&M got in was because in spite of their slutty appearance through this whole deal, they gave the SEC a new recruiting ground in Texas. What does Mizzou have to offer? A new recruiting ground in Missery? Who cares. A new TV market in STL? Possibly but how many TV's will that actually bring in, enough to offset the revenue sharing in adding Mizzou? Probably not. Add in the fact that your house is clearly not in order and you guys are the ugly girl that thinks she's pretty. Sure you're prettier than KSU but I'm not going to lie and act like KSU is an attractive option.

And this extra 12 mil a year, what a bunch of crap. That would be if Mizzou was good, making the Title game year in and year out, and completely ignored the fact that the Big12 will be redoing their TV deal for their tier 1 rights to match that of the SEC. So honestly, the only way you are going to make more money is if you make the SEC championship year in and year out. Or if the SEC does make its own network... which i don't see one yet so why are you putting your eggs in its basket.

Let me break it down for you in high school terms. A&M was your hot sister and the SEC wants to date her. Mizzou is the ugly little sister and the SEC doesn't see anything better so they might try to get a handjob from you and if it has to date you because they know they will be able to treat you like crap cause you're begging to do it. Plus way to go throwing away all the athletic revenue going to the state of Mizzou, your taxes are going to go up and your economy is going to suffer now. You guys are retarded. All because you aren't man enough to stand up to Texas.



Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: October 12, 2011 4:13 pm
 

National notes: Source of Missouri's indecision

If Mizzou was such a great "get" for the SEC, wouldn't you think that they would have actually received an INVITE to the conference by now? Keep chirping, slippy. Mizzou isn't going anywhere. No one wants them.




Since: Jan 7, 2010
Posted on: October 12, 2011 3:24 pm
 

National notes: Source of Missouri's indecision

Ahh...my good idiot friend TWOCOACH.

I live in St. Louis...and it is 80% MISSOURI FANS.   Come to the BRAGGIN RIGHTS game in basketball...or the past 6 years of BRAGGING RIGHTS FOOTBALL game that was a majority of Mizzou fans over Illinois.   College sports in St. Louis goes in this order: Mizzou, SLU BASKETBALL, THEN ILLINOIS.

As for KC...once again, someone has to explain to you the SEC CABLE NETWORK DOLLARS.   All those little bars, homes, etc.... as soon as they TUNE INTO the SEC GAMES ON THE CABLE NETWORK.... SEC WINS YOU MORON.    Has nothing to do with KU fans being a majority in KC... not to mention nobody cares about BASKETBALL.   FOOTBALL rules....and Kansas is on the verge of going DIVISION III in football.  

Ever hear of the HOWARD STERN rule ..... here it goes...all KU FANS IN KANSAS CITY will still TUNE INTO THE MIZZOU games in hope of watching them LOSE!!!!!!!!    SEC WINS AGAIN.

Please get over your jealousy of Missouri..its quite cute!   How many times are you going to mention the MIZZOU doesn't have an SEC offer... if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck...it is a DUCK....  Mizzou is following A&Ms path...if you want to put some money where your mouth is...I GUARANTEE that Mizzou in the next 7 days asks for a "withdrawal document from the BIG12" 

Maybe you should stick to your knowledge of the bench warmers on KU...where they played, who they dated, what type of dessert they like after they eat their veggies...etc...  you're much better at telling us how Morningstar loves long walks on the beach, pina colada, and he loves DRIVING after those Pina Coladas...

I can't keep zinging you bra....... ZOOP!

SEC fans.... us Mizzou fans can't wait to join this conference!



Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: October 12, 2011 2:16 pm
 

National notes: Source of Missouri's indecision

"Cincinnati might want to position itself to get Temple's spot (as a contingency plan) in the MAC if both Louisville and West Virginia both end up in the Big 12 and Temple goes to the Big East, leaving Big East football worthless."

Good grief, don't let West Virginia join the Big 12. The Big 12 has gotten rid of one drunken, belligerent fanbase (Colorado) and might get rid of the other (Mizzou). The last thing we need is the band of idiots that support West Virginia by getting wasted, screaming obscenities and throwing things at people and on the court/field.

I am hoping that BYU and Louisville are the next two schools to join the Big 12.



Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: October 12, 2011 2:11 pm
 

National notes: Source of Missouri's indecision

"We're starting to get a clearer picture of the momentous decision Missouri has to make."

Uh, Dodd? I would love to see ANYTHING in print that is official that states that there is ANY decision for Mizzou to make?!? The decision belongs to the SEC, not Mizzou. The SEC has not even stated that they are interested in Mizzou. Odds are they are hoping that a better option than a middle tier program like Mizzou surfaces. There are two big TV markets in Missouri, Kansas City and St. Louis, and Mizzou doesn't own EITHER of those markets. That goes to Kansas and Illinois, respectively. Mizzou is the only one that thinks Mizzou is driving the boat on this one. Hey wait, where did Dodd go to school? That's right, Mizzou!




Since: Oct 6, 2011
Posted on: October 12, 2011 12:52 pm
 

National notes: Source of Missouri's indecision

It is very possible that the Big 12 will only add 1 Big East team (probably Louisville) or 2 (Louisville and WVU) Cincinnati could be on the outside looking in stuck in a horrible Big East football league without any good members.



Since: Oct 6, 2011
Posted on: October 12, 2011 12:50 pm
 

National notes: Source of Missouri's indecision

Cincinnati might want to position itself to get Temple's spot (as a contingency plan) in the MAC if both Louisville and West Virginia both end up in the Big 12 and Temple goes to the Big East, leaving Big East football worthless.



Since: Jun 5, 2011
Posted on: October 12, 2011 11:15 am
 

Florida's "problems" run deeper than "injury."

Florida got rid of the offense that enabled them to win two National Championships with Urban Meyer.  AD Jeremy Foley and the alumni, led by the Brantley family, pressured Meyer to adjust the offense to feature double-legacy QB John Brantley, and Meyer suddenly developed "stress-related health problems."

So, they found a new coach who would build an offense around Brantley's strengths.   It didn't work all that well before Brantley was injured, and it will look worse now.  They have a player who was often compared to Tim Tebow in college, Jeff Driskel, but they don't have a spread offense for him to run anymore.  Now that they lost the round peg to injury, they are left with a square peg and a round hole.  

Thanks to Brantley family pressure, Florida will now be a 4-4 SEC team at best for two years.  Since five years is the period a coach should have to prove he can do the job, especially when changing from the spread to the pro set or vice-versa, Florida could be a mediocre team for four of those five years.  

All so they could kiss a double-legacy QB's feet.  What a bunch of bumbling fools.   



Since: Mar 19, 2010
Posted on: October 11, 2011 5:34 pm
 

National notes: Source of Missouri's indecision

Or...as William Bendix said more than once, "What a revoltin' developement this is1"


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