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Mountain West proposes 16-team playoff

Posted on: October 20, 2011 11:29 am
Edited on: October 20, 2011 1:04 pm

A formal 16-team college football playoff worth at least $650 million has been proposed by Mountain West commissioner Craig Thompson. obtained information from the document that was distributed to the 10 other Football Bowl Subdivision commissioners. It proposes that a human committee would rank 30 teams at the end of the season to help select the 16-team field. Those rankings would determine the 1-through-16 seedings. At least six Football Bowl Subdivision (formerly Division I-A) conference champions would be in the field. There would be a maximum of three teams per conference.

Thompson had an eight-team playoff proposal rejected by the BCS in 2009. With the current BCS agreement ending after the 2014 bowls, there is an opening for suggestions for new postseason models. BCS executive director Bill Hancock did not immediately comment.

Thompson's proposal was sent to those 10 other FBS commissioners, Notre Dame and Hancock.

Under his proposal, first-round games would be played the week after conference championship games (usually the second week of December).  The games would be played at the home stadium of the top eight seeds. The quarterfinals would follow on Jan. 1 or 2 at the four major bowl sites -- Orange, Sugar, Fiesta and Rose.

The semifinals would be played at the stadium of the two highest-seeded remaining schools. Bowls could bid on hosting the championship game.

Financial bonuses would be awarded to participating conferences based on performance in the NCAA's Academic Performance Rate. There is also a clause that would allocate $50 million "to address issues of integrity in intercollegiate athletics."

Several playoff scenarios have been proposed by commercial entities. The NCAA even explored the possibly in the mid-1990s before dropping the idea.

The Arizona Republic interviewed Thompson about his proposal on Wednesday.However, was able to obtain specific detailed information about the proposal.

The FBS commissioners were to discuss Thompson's proposal at a previously scheduled meeting Sept. 20 in Chicago. But conference realignment issues forced the meeting to be cancelled.

Information from the document details the revenue windfall long anticipated from a playoff. Under Thompson's plan, a conference would receive $25 million for each top eight seed it had in the field. For seeds 9 through 16, the revenue would decrease by $2 million in descending order. For example, the conference of the No. 9 seed would get $23 million, No. 10 seed, $21 million, etc.

Conferences would then receive $20 million for each team that reaches the quarterfinals (round of eight). The remainder of the revenue from the semifinals and championship would be distributed this way: Two shares for each for each of the semifinal winners. One share for each for the semifinal losers. Each of those shares, according to information in the document would exceed $25 million.

According to a source, Thompson also asked for support from the so-called "group of five" non-BCS conferences to support and promote the proposal. There was no consensus of support from those four other leagues -- Conference USA, WAC, MAC and Sun Belt -- according to the source.

The Mountain West at least is staying in the news. Thompson's league and Conference USA announced an alliance on Friday. The champions of each league -- soon to be a 22-team consortium -- would play each other, the winner of which would theoretically get an automatic BCS bowl bid. Both leagues are currently non-automatic qualifiers for BCS bowls.

They have received no assurance that they would receive an automatic bid under the new arrangement. The current BCS agreement runs through the 2014 bowls (2013 season). The champions of each BCS league (Pac-12, Big 12, Big East, ACC, SEC, Big Ten) are guaranteed a BCS bowl. That leaves four other spots filled by second teams from BCS leagues. Notre Dame and non-BCS league champions can also qualify by meeting certain benchmarks.



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Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: October 21, 2011 12:25 pm

Mountain West proposes 16-team playoff

Plus 1 format means this:
4 BCS bowl games (8 participates) = 4 winners (essentially the quarterfinals, but would act as the semi-finals in the Plus 1 format)
No Semi-Final Round because then the format would be a Plus 2.
BCS NCG which means 2 of 4 will be playing and the other 2 get screwed.

Most fans would not be exciting about spending money to travel to a BCS bowl game when it essentially does not matter.  The Plus 1 format that is being toss around by all the experts is the one I described above because it would keep all 4 BCS bowls relevant.  The problem with this format is it becomes subjective on which 2 of 4 winners (assuming everyone doesn't want a rematch) get to participate in the BCS championship game. 

I am trying to be respectful, but you really don't get it.  Media talking heads (Herbstreit for example) have been calling for a Plus-1 BCS format for years.  This would essentially be a 4-team playoff, rotating through two of the BCS bowl games.  The Championship Game would be the "Plus-1", and be played a week or two later. 

You are confusing this with what Thompson from the MWC is proposing.  He is calling for all four BCS bowl games to be used as a quarter-final playoff round.  This would result in 4 winners who would play in a semi-final round later in January.  I don't like that scenario.  He is trying kill off all conference tie-ins to the BCS bowls, in order to create more access for mid-majors.  You know them...the ones that never lifted a finger over the several decades it took to build up the major bowls, but now want equal access to the proceeds.  I would rather see the quarter-final round be played in mid December.

Since: Jun 9, 2009
Posted on: October 21, 2011 12:23 pm

Mountain West proposes 16-team playoff

I for one think this is a great idea and one that is far too long overdue. Bottom line though is it's all about the money. If the money works then the playoff system will be in place. In every other sport you get to play for the championship, except for NCAA men's football, but only if you're in the BCS.

Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: October 21, 2011 12:03 pm

Mountain West proposes 16-team playoff

I thinking from a purely business standpoint, which most athletic directors, bowl organizations, city tourist organizations, and sponsors think when it comes to bowl games.  If sponsors know that TV rating will be higher for the BCS tournaments than the bowl games, then why invest money in it?  The payout for the Orange Bowl would probably be reduced to the same level as the Sun Bowl (maybe even the New Orleans Bowl).  What major program would want to play in the Orange Bowl when the payout is only $325,000.00?

With all due respect to you, VThokies, I don't think you have a firm grasp on the business side of this issue.  Under my plan, the first two rounds of a 16 team playoff would be played in early to mid December.  There would few, if any, scheduling conflicts between those playoff games and bowl games.  Two of the BCS bowls would be semi-final games, on a rotating basis.  Would the ratings be higher for the two semi-final games?  Probably.  But it is not like the ratings for the other BCS bowls are going to fall off to nothing.  People will still watch by the millions, and the fans will still show up for the games.  If people show up for the games, and tune in on tv, there will be sponsors.  I can understand the payout being a bit lower for the non-playoff BCS bowl games, but there is no way it would drop off to a paltry $325K.  The bottom of the barrel bowls pay more than that.  There is no way any BCS bowl would have its payout drop below the second tier bowls (Cap-1, Cotton, Gator) let alone below the bottom tier games (like the Beef O'Brady's, New Mexico or New Orleans).

Since: Mar 15, 2008
Posted on: October 21, 2011 11:47 am

Mountain West proposes 16-team playoff

Hmmmm....lets do the an 8-team playoff, would anyone from the Mountain West EVER get in???????
huh?  ... actually a team from the Mountain West would get in's the ACC and Big East that would be CORRECTLY left out

Since: Nov 19, 2006
Posted on: October 21, 2011 9:42 am

Mountain West proposes 16-team playoff

This plan has little chance of succeeding.  The current BCS Bowls would never sign on to it.  The idea of playing the semi-finals at the stadium of the highest ranking team after the quarter finals have been at neutral sites makes no sense at all.  You are also looking at a potential four extra games for two teams.  That will never be agreeable to the University Presidents.  College Football is having enough problems getting a "Plus One" game to determine the National Championship.  You can not expect anyone to go for a 16 team playoff, especially in this format.

Since: Oct 12, 2011
Posted on: October 21, 2011 9:30 am

Mountain West proposes 16-team playoff

They can't get a job to help make ends meet like a "normal" college student, plus many of them have their likenesses used in video games, etc.  I wouldn't be opposed to a small stipend as long as it is heavily regulated and scrutinized.  I don't think schools should be able to use the ability to pay a bigger stipend as a recruiting tool.  The should all get an equal amount.  If I'm not mistaken they already get something similar for buying books, etc.

Since: Aug 10, 2008
Posted on: October 21, 2011 9:16 am

Mountain West proposes 16-team playoff

This is crazy and how much money will the players make?  This is as close to modern day slavery as there is..these kids bring in all this money and don't get jack for it...It's time to pay players and stop this insane raping of their talents
Hold it. You need to revise your statement. You said 'kids'. Correct that and I will listen. They are young men, AKA adults, not kids. Until then, you get the mute button. Try again.

Since: Dec 2, 2007
Posted on: October 21, 2011 8:54 am

Mountain West proposes 16-team playoff

Auburn to the MAC, Georgia to the Sunbelt could work

Since: Nov 28, 2006
Posted on: October 21, 2011 3:04 am

Mountain West proposes 16-team playoff

They get a college education lest we forget that so they are getting "paid" to play.  I could see giving them a stipen to fully fund their education, but don't pay them unless you charget them full price for a four year degree, tuition, and books. I went in debt $80k on mine. Remember only a very few will take the next step to the NFL so that education players are recieving is an investment in their future, what they do with it is up to them.

Since: Apr 14, 2011
Posted on: October 21, 2011 1:48 am

Mountain West proposes 16-team playoff

I see many problems with this Idea.

1.) TV for Reg season games. Do you think that ESPN/ABC,Fox,CBS is going to pay 100's of millions per year for reg season games? No they will not.

2.) Every school that even thinks it will have a chance in Heck to get a first round bid will have to install heated surfaces at their stadiums. ( I mean the schools that live up here in God's country not the dirty south ;)  )

3.) ruin what is left of the Bowls. Winning the NCG is not as big a deal as winning the NCAA basket ball tourney. It big but most fans care about their own team, or conferences and that is it when it comes to CFB.

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