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Kansas' Self not worried about losing Missouri

Posted on: October 20, 2011 7:04 pm
Edited on: October 20, 2011 7:05 pm

Kansas coach Bill Self expanded on his feelings about Missouri possibly leaving the conference for the SEC. Self spoke to reporters Thursday during Big 12 basketball media day.

The coach came closer than ever Thursday to saying, “Who needs ‘em?” if Missouri leaves. He even suggested that Kansas would lose money if it played a non-conference game against its biggest rival.

“If they leave, they leave. Big deal,” Self told reporters. “You know, we don't want 'em to but if they choose to do that, they do it.

“So from our standpoint, I don't think we're going to say, ‘Aw, geez, we've got to hurry up and schedule them. I don't think anybody would feel that way. I know I wouldn't and I don't think any of our fans would.”

“I’m not saying we will [play them]. I'm not saying we won’t. I'm just saying I'm not going to make a decision on that now. I may feel that we need to continue playing them, I may feel that we don't need to continue playing them.

“I know one thing. Texas made a pretty bold statement to A&M [about the continuation of that series]. I don't know if we're in the exact same boat as that, but I really believe that what we do will not be based on what other people want us to do. It will be based on basically what's best for our program.”

I then asked Self if he had to wet his finger and check which way the wind was blowing. In other words, was this a political decision?

Self basically said KU could conceivably lose money if it played Missouri in a non-conference game at the Sprint Center, home of the Big 12 tournament in Kansas City.

“Here's the thing about that,” he said. “You play in the Sprint Center, you play Missouri. Great game. Now let's say you net $600,000 after you pay expenses to play that game. They take $300,000, we take $300,000.

“We make $500,000 playing a home game, so we just lost money. There would be a lot of different ways you could look at it

So getting $1 million total for a Missouri-Kansas game at the Sprint Center would be a “push” monetarily for Kansas?

“Maybe, yeah, yeah, maybe,” Self said.

“I want to make sure that I'm clear. I want Missouri to stay. It's best for our league if they stay. It's best for Kansas. It's best for other teams in our league if they stay.”

What about playing the conference tournament in Missouri with no team in the conference from Missouri?

“See, I think that’s also overrated on which side of the river ... I think it's Kansas City, you know, Kansas City ... I don't see that being a huge deal, where the building is located.”

Missouri's board of curators took no action Thursday during a regularly scheduled meeting on the Missouri-Kansas City campus. The school's next likely move would be to announce a formal withdrawl from the Big 12.  

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Since: Jun 12, 2011
Posted on: October 24, 2011 4:59 pm

Kansas' Self not worried about losing Missouri

Lawrence Kansas Chamber of Commerce would not mind, because there would be no more MU/KU game at Arrowhead and one more game to be played in Lawrence.

Since: Nov 24, 2010
Posted on: October 24, 2011 2:15 pm

Kansas' Self not worried about losing Missouri

If Mizzery pulls this off and goes to the SEC they will be in for a rude awakening.  They want to say this is all about what is "best for M.U.", but it's obvious this is more about money and getting away from Texas.  This move will do nothing for Mizzery to improve their athletics, nothing!  Right now their football roster is around 35% Texas products, good luck recruiting Texas kids with one Texas school in a conference.  It makes it hard for Mom and Dad to see their kids on t.v. unless they pay per view it.  Once they start trying to compete with Alabama, LSU, and Auburn for recruits they will realize how outmatched they are.  When they take the field in football they will have that point hammered home early and often.  The travel costs for other sports will eat the tiggers budget alive and the time required to travel will be a joy for athletes of all sports on campus.

So go ahead Mizzery, move on to the SEC, your date with obscurity awaits. 

Since: Sep 28, 2008
Posted on: October 23, 2011 3:02 pm

Kansas' Self not worried about losing Missouri

Missouri is deluded if it thinks it'll play an invitational basketball tournament in KC or football games against KU/K-State or Big 12 opponents.  Why would KU or K-State want to give the SEC a presence in fertile recruiting grounds?  Nebraska won't be played either since they're in the Big 10.  Duh?

The Big 12 Tournament can still be played in KC.  KC is in the Midwest not the Rust Belt or where the good ol'boys in the SEC break recruiting rules all the time.

The Border War is over and Mizery has lost.  

Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: October 23, 2011 1:20 am

Kansas' Self not worried about losing Missouri

"So it's OK for KU to do what is best for them but not for Missouri to do the same? Nice coach."

I never said it wasn't OK for Mizzou to change conferences. I said it's dumb for Mizzou to think that moving to the SEC is the best thing for them.

Since: Sep 17, 2007
Posted on: October 22, 2011 8:52 pm

Kansas' Self not worried about losing Missouri

So it's OK for KU to do what is best for them but not for Missouri to do the same? Nice coach.

Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: October 22, 2011 2:48 pm

Kansas' Self not worried about losing Missouri

"Mizzou will get to play on SATURDAY NIGHTS ON ABC/FOX/ESPN...... where everyone can see them play. "

Where more people will get to see then get destroyed, more accurately. Mizzou is well on their way to giving up 50 to Okie State, as I predicted, and aren't even on pace AT HOME to match the 28 points that a pitiful Kansas team scored on the Okie State defense ON THE ROAD. Wow. Impressive. So much for that "trap game" for Okie State.

Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: October 22, 2011 1:53 pm

Kansas' Self not worried about losing Missouri

"When was the last time Kansas landed a McDonalds All-Americans like Duke, UNC, Kentucky, UCLA, Ohio State..... KU is falling into the "2nd class" and Self knows it."

About two weeks ago when Perry Ellis (who is prety much guaranteed to be on this year's McD's All American team) announced that he would be going to Kansas. Yeah, it sucks that we've only signed 12 McDonald's All Americans since 2000 (3rd most in college basketball in that time). We're really slipping.

Did I mention that Kansas has signed more than twice as many McDonald's All Americans since 2000 (12) than Mizzou has signed since 1977 (5)? Fun fact.

Since: Dec 2, 2006
Posted on: October 21, 2011 11:53 pm

Kansas' Self not worried about losing Missouri

His name was Josh Selby and most KU fans were glad what he only stayed one year.

When was the last time Mizzou was playing any meaningful basketball in April?

7 straight Conference Championships for a reason. There were a number of those years that KU wasnt supposed to be good enough to win the Big 12 but they do it still.

KU is also a Top seller of merchandise for a reason.

Since: Dec 5, 2006
Posted on: October 21, 2011 11:28 pm

Kansas' Self not worried about losing Missouri

When things get really slow (see lack of NBA negotiations) this subject gets rehashed. Dodd must be scratching deep for material. Bill Self seemed to say more last year when the Big XII was beginning to come unstuck because of Missouri's lust for the Big Ten. He said then that he wanted Kansas and Kansas State to stay together and could care less where Missouri goes (blaming them for the destabilizing of the league.)

I think it will be strange to not see Missouri in the Big XII. The Kansas - Missouri rivalry is among the best in the country. These two schools really don't like each other. In football Missouri has dominated. In basketball Kansas has dominated. Don't know about other sports because rarely covers them! But the way those two sports shake out each school gets the satisfaction of a win or two every year. That makes a good rivalry. Also records and talent over the years have not necessarily been the deciding factor. That makes a good rivalry. Is ths Duke and North Carolina? Not really because that is only basketball that the country pays attention to and both of those schools can compete for the national championship. In Kansas - Missouri, only Kansas brings it year after year to that level. Missouri is apparently not being offered by the Big Ten. If the SEC offers it will be difficult for Missouri to compete in football but easier in the SEC West in basketball.

Some wise folks have written that conferences with over 12 schools will come to regret that expansion. Some rivalries must be lost and more geography (and time zones?) will have to be covered. Students on non-revenue sports will miss more class time and alumni may become more disgruntled.  All to pursue more money. Wonder what happened to amateur athletics? Perhaps ESPN happened.

Since: Mar 28, 2010
Posted on: October 21, 2011 6:13 pm

Kansas' Self not worried about losing Missouri

Ah something we can see eye to eye on. Truth is man, that my dad's side of the family is from Missouri and my mom's from Kansas. Apparently they weren't aware of the rivalry. But I have many,many MU fans in the family as my dad was one of thirteen. Most of them are MU fans and a few Royal fans too. Get togethers I am outnumbered by a huge margin. So I have plenty of practice at stating my case. We get back the advantage Saturday, win two in Arlington and wrap this baseball season up in 6.

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