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Notre Dame to Big 12 (in all but fb) makes sense

Posted on: October 25, 2011 10:39 am
 

Notre Dame to the Big 12?

Don’t blow your Dome. We’re talking basketball and the second-tier sports, all the stuff that needs a home if the Big East blows up. Makes sense for ND. The Big East is unstable. The Big 12 is willing to try anything to solidify itself. In fact, Texas AD DeLoss Dodds offered a Notre Dame spot in the league to park its non-football sports. That was before the 2010 season and the tongue-in-cheek “offer” fizzled almost the moment it left Dodds’ mouth.

Now the stakes are higher. With the Big East’s future uncertain, the Irish may need a new home for non-football sports. There are rumblings that the Big 12-Notre Dame talk has started again. It has caught the attention of at least one Big 12 writer.

The detailed document regarding the SEC given to Missouri’s board of curators and obtained by the AP earlier this month included Notre Dame among future Big 12 expansion candidates.

It is known that the Irish desperately want to stay independent in football, but might face a decision with its other sports. Playing in the far-flung (for Notre Dame) Big 12 could be a logistical problem (the closest Big 12 school would be Iowa State), but there aren’t many options left. ACC commissioner John Swofford quashed any Notre Dame speculation recently when he said his league is an “all-in, revenue-sharing conference.”

Notre Dame definitely isn’t into revenue sharing. Its football contract with NBC nets the school a reported $15 million per year. It also wants to start a school-centric network similar to the Longhorn Network. But if the Big 12 can live (barely) with the LHN, what’s another dedicated network between friends?

The attraction for the Big 12 would be to have a relationship if and when the Irish decide to join a conference in football. The product on the field isn’t helping that solidify that independence. The Irish were all but eliminated from BCS consideration after Saturday’s lost to USC. In his two seasons at the school, Kelly is a mediocre 12-8.  Charlie Weis’ two BCS bowl seasons are starting to look pretty good.

The disadvantage would be flying over several states to play in Oklahoma and Texas. But, again, what options does Notre Dame have? A minor sports alliance with the Big Ten makes total sense but the NBC contract would almost certainly be a deal breaker. Like the ACC, the Big Ten shares its revenue equally and is just starting to realize the profitability of the Big Ten Network.

 

 

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Since: Oct 24, 2011
Posted on: October 26, 2011 12:43 am
 

Notre Dame to Big 12 (in all but fb) makes sense

You must still not understand that this is about money. Notre Dame is a cash cow plain and simple. Every conference would give there left nutt for a peice of ND. Of the Big 12 gets any ND sports they are going to pull some BS to get them to join a confernce. If they can keep there Independce and only have to play 3 or 4 of the overrated Big 12 I would say lets go all in. ND can handle themselves in the big 12.



Since: Oct 24, 2011
Posted on: October 26, 2011 12:40 am
 

Notre Dame to Big 12 (in all but fb) makes sense

ND sucks, but they aren't stupid. They can barely sustain their current mediocre to supbar standard of play with their hand-picked schedule; they would be mauled in the Big 12 and going from bad to worse can't be in their plans. And it might be hard to maintain all those exciting, historic rivalries they have with the service acadamies with only 3 non-con games if they are in a conference.

Right now I would say Notre Dame is in rebuild mode but to say they suck is a stretch. Also Nobody wants to play the option service teams. Hell they about beat South Carolina. I am sur eyou have the big 12 up your ass like most of texas but get a clue



Since: Jun 28, 2007
Posted on: October 25, 2011 10:59 pm
 

Notre Dame to Big 12 (in all but fb) makes sense

It makes total sense.  Notre Dame has got to be looking at what is happening to the Big East which is going to be unsettled for some time.  The Big 12 seems to be emerging from the fire and stabilizing.  ND wants to be independent in football, as long as someone with a TV network thinks that is ok they can be.  Whether you like them or not they are Notre Dame and they are one of the top brands in college football. 

The Big 10 says we love you, we want you, but you have to bring football.  I keep hearing the Big 10 is a better fit.  Really?  If academics and geography are the main "fits" then the Big 10 should bring in Missouri and Iowa State, don't see that coming soon.  The Big 12 appears to be the better fit simply because the rumors that they can join in everything but football.  This move would be brilliant for the Big 12.  They add a premier brand name and have them on board when ND finally decides it makes sense financially to be in the conference.

What I haven't heard is the Big 12 adding ND and BYU for all sports but football.  If WVA takes Mizzou's spot the conference is at 10 for football and positioned to go back to 12 in the future.  Or they could add Louisville & Cincy for all sports go back to the north-south division of 6 teams each and still add ND-BYU for a potential of a 14 team conference in a few years.  Our maybe Mizzou goes nowhere, the conference adds WVA and Louisville to get to 12 and the ND-BYU option is still a potential.

Funny how the Big 12 was left for dead a year ago.  Interesting to watch what happens.




Since: Sep 29, 2006
Posted on: October 25, 2011 10:59 pm
 

Notre Dame to Big 12 (in all but fb) makes sense

ND has been cherry-picking the Big Ten and the Big East football conferences for years now, and have been not only allowed to do it, but encouraged and enabled.  If, as it looks, football is headed for mega-conferences and a playoff involving conference champions to determine a true champion on the field, there really isn't going to be much incentive for teams to schedule Notre Dame.  

Why would NBC pay for exclusive rights to NDs home football games?  Because a LOT of people tune in EVERY week to watch ND football, regardless of how good or bad they are.  Despite your personal disdain, they have the largest fanbase in the country.  Scheduling Notre Dame is a guaranteed money-maker.  Plain and simple.



Since: Aug 29, 2006
Posted on: October 25, 2011 8:29 pm
 

Notre Dame to Big 12 (in all but fb) makes sense

Yes. 




Since: Mar 25, 2008
Posted on: October 25, 2011 7:49 pm
 

Notre Dame to Big 12 (in all but fb) makes sense

"Besides, Hockey is not a real big sport in the Big 12, is it?"

Then again, it isn't in the Big East either.  No BE team besides ND has a men's team.

Heck, the only other BCS team outside the Big 10 that does is BC.




Since: Nov 19, 2006
Posted on: October 25, 2011 6:53 pm
 

Notre Dame to Big 12 (in all but fb) makes sense

1Why would a conference go to an odd number of teams?  This does not make sense to me.  Also, remember that the Big East has numerous teams in sports other than Football, such as basketball.  The Big East has 8 teams that participate in basketball but not in Foorball.  They are NOT going away any time soon.  Notre Dame is quite comfortable in the Big East.  The travel would be easier with teams like Syracuse and West Virginia out of the Conference.  Besides, Hockey is not a real big sport in the Big 12, is it?



Since: Nov 14, 2008
Posted on: October 25, 2011 6:53 pm
 

Notre Dame to Big 12 (in all but fb) makes sense

ND sucks, but they aren't stupid. They can barely sustain their current mediocre to supbar standard of play with their hand-picked schedule; they would be mauled in the Big 12 and going from bad to worse can't be in their plans. And it might be hard to maintain all those exciting, historic rivalries they have with the service acadamies with only 3 non-con games if they are in a conference.



Since: Mar 25, 2008
Posted on: October 25, 2011 6:24 pm
 

Notre Dame to Big 12 (in all but fb) makes sense

From Go Frogs:

Now we're getting somewhere!

I agree, Big 10 would be a better fit for the Irish. However does the Irish want to be in the same league as Purdue and Indiana? Does it just want to become another Indiana state team?

Well, that could never be the case.  This would mean that Texasis "just another state team" when there is a huge difference in national cache than Tech, Baylor and TCU.

Why ACC? Because they have Boston College part of the conference? Better than Big 10 option but really no team that shouts out like the Big 12. ACC might be vunerable to the SEC in the future too who may take VT or Clemson or Florida State when it goes to 16. Is playing Boston College that important?

Big 12 gives them two prime time matchups out of OU and UT, something that the ACC does not have. Notre Dame going to the Big 12 makes them unique above its Indiana state counterparts. Notre Dame wants to be special.

I'm not sure how MI, OH ST, NEand PA ST don't "shout out."  They are 4 of the game's legends, whereas the Big 12 only has 2.  Games against these 4 would have guaranteed prime-time match ups too.  ND football will never be "lumped in" with IN and PUR in any real sense, although they wouldn't mind if ND basketball gets lumped in with those popular programs.

Big 12 brings Notre Dame flexibility unlike the Big 10 or the ACC in football and other sports. Big 12 brings the midwest as well as the south and can also let them keep their rivalries which going to the ACC might not be able to provide.

If "flexibility" means lots of games in Texas, okay.  But the 2013 Big 12 brings almost nothing of the Midwest for ND.  Kansas basketball is a great draw for ND, but KS football and KS ST and IA ST bring nothing outside of KS and the western half of IA.  Big 12 is a Texas-Oklahoma league with WV and 2/12 low population midwest states thrown in.

I think ND's "rivalries" would be endangered by joining any conference.  From 12 games in play down to 3 or 4.  If "rivalries" were an issue (and I don't think it would be. generally), than the Big 10 would be better since the 3 Big 10 games are saved and USC and Navy could still be played each year.


Big 12 gives TV options for Notre Dame. The new Big 12 Network will be or could be as big or bigger with Notre Dame than the ACC or Big 10 once negotiated.

 Any Network would be bigger with ND, so I don’t thinkyou can include them in this kind comparison.  The population of the B12 states is only 60% the size as that for the B10 states. (IL+OH+MI+WI+MN+IA+NE+1/2 PA+1/2 IN+1/2 IA  = 58.2 M vs. TX+OK+KS+WV+1/2 IA = 35.2)

 So, I don’t see how a Big 12 Net could ever make more money, really.  And don’t forget that much of the Texascontent would not be exclusive to LHN, and not B12 Net, so that wouldn’t help matters.


With the bowl connections Big 12 has and the high level of competition Big 12 has in all sports Big 12, with great connections with recruiting hotbeds (high recruiting areas), Big 12 gives Notre Dame everything it needs to continuing in being "Notre Dame".

 The Big 10’s bowl connections are second only to the SEC.  The recruiting angle has merit, for sure.  Big 12 wins on baseball, although Big 10 hockey probably beats that since hockey is an additional revenue stream that would net ND another million each year with the TV portion and visitor gate receipts.

 Fun debate!





Since: Sep 8, 2006
Posted on: October 25, 2011 4:43 pm
 

Notre Dame to Big 12 (in all but fb) makes sense

Notre Dame nees to join the Big 10 in all sports.  I say that as a huge Big 12 fan.  First, it's a regional match for them.  Second, their culture fits with the Big 10.  Lastly, they alreay play a singificant number of Big 10 schools.  I'd love to see them in the Big 12, but it's just not the best fit.  I would add that no one should take them piecemeal.  Either all sports or no sports.


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