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AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

Posted on: December 7, 2011 1:39 pm

Erik Gee believes LSU can’t lose.

Oh, the Tigers can score fewer points than Alabama in the BCS title game but they can’t lose his No. 1 vote. They’ve done enough. That’s Gee’s belief and he intends reinforce it with his Associated Press ballot.

The 39-year old radio host in Albuquerque, N.M. is going to vote LSU No. 1 pretty much win or lose following the BCS title game.

“It would have to be something like a 63-0 pasting [by Alabama],” for Gee to change his mind, he told this week.

His is a stance we haven’t heard of this week as talk of a split national championship starts to bubble up. Now we have a face and a name and reasons why LSU should stay No. 1 in AP. That’s the only place it could happen, by the way, if Alabama wins. The coaches’ No. 1 vote is committed to the BCS title game winner, although there have been some defectors among voting coaches over the years.

“They’ve beaten Alabama once, what else do they need to do?” Gee said of LSU.

“I honestly feel this is the first year somebody is getting screwed by the system because they beat a team on the road, won the division, won the conference and now the system is saying, ‘Play it again, this time on a neutral field.’ “

This is the first time in BCS history two teams from the same conference have met. It is the third time a team that hasn’t won its conference is playing for the title. Complicating matters is No. 1 LSU being asked to beat No. 2 Alabama again after winning the SEC and beating eight ranked teams, three of them in the top three.

Gee’s opinion shouldn’t be a shock. We have seen weirder things – this week. Nick Saban conspicuously voted Oklahoma State No. 4, seemingly attempting to hold the Cowboys underwater so they couldn’t challenge his Tide for No. 2. No coach voted Alabama lower than third. Five coaches voted Oklahoma State lower than third.

Since LSU won the SEC title game Saturday there has been some talk of a split national championship, but not in detail. Oklahoma State finished behind No. 2 Alabama by the closest margin (.0086 of a point) since the BCS formula was changed in 2004. The last split national title occurred in 2003 when USC remained No. 1 in AP. LSU, which beat Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl, won the BCS title.

Gee graduated from Oklahoma but his second choice for college was LSU. He considers himself a passionate and educated college football fan. On Sunday, he voted Oklahoma State No. 2 in his latest AP ballot.

“Not because I believe they deserve to play in the national championship but because I believe they and Alabama should get to play for [second place]. LSU should get to kick back and watch everyone else make fools of themselves.”

As for the realistic chances of a split national championship? So far, Gee seems to have a lot of support.  For the last four weeks, all 60 voters were unanimous in voting LSU No. 1. Would a close Alabama win -- say, three points -- convince the majority of those 60 to keep LSU at No. 1?

“I think the majority of them [voters] would vote Alabama No. 1 [if the Tide won],” Gee said. “But if it’s a close game, there’s enough of them out there to go, ‘I’m not changing the vote.’ “

You want more? Listen to Gee on “The Sports Bar” weekdays from 3-7 p.m. on KNML in Albuquerque.

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Since: Jan 9, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2011 7:12 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

Since the very first Rose Bowl, every bowl game by definition has been an end-of-season inter-conference matchup to see how the conferences stack up against each other. To arbitrarily pluck two teams from the same conference and drop them into a "bowl" game is a mockery of hundreds of years of tradition. To call that game the "National Championship" is 100% pure BULL****. Gee is correct, LSU should not be ranked below Alabama even if they lose the rematch. At best, it is a tie.

Since: Sep 28, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2011 7:09 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

This has all gotten so old.  It's about time for everyone to quit whining.  Start putting forth arguments that are consistently applied to the team you cheer for, as well as the others, and come up with some legitimate alternative solutions (keeping in mind that a playoff will probably never happen in our lifetime), or just keep your angry little opinions to yourselves.  Please.

Here's how this should shake out, in 4 scenarios:
1. LSU wins by any margin- LSU National Champs in AP & BCS
2. Bama wins by 3 or less, Ok State loses, or wins by less than 3 touchdowns- Bama BCS Champs, toss up, AP between LSU/Bama
3. Bama wins by 3 or less, Ok State crushes Stanford- Bama BCS, AP toss up between all 3 teams, Ok State probably wins AP.
4. Bama wins by 4 or more, Bama National Champs in AP & BCS

Everyone hating on Bama but riding LSU is forgetting just how eerily similar these two team really are.  Look at the opponents LSU/Bama both played:

LSU/MsState: W 19-6      Bama/MsState: W 24-7
LSU/Florida:   W 41-11    Bama/Florida:   W 38-10
LSU/Tenn:     W 38-10    Bama/Tenn:     W 37-6
LSU/Auburn:  W 45-10    Bama/Auburn:  W 42-14
LSU/OleMiss: W 52-3      Bama/OleMiss: W 52-7
LSU/Arky:    &n
bsp; W 41-17    Bama/Arky:    &
nbsp; W 38-14
LSU/Bama:    W 9-6(OT) Bama/LSU:    &n
bsp;  L  6-9 (OT)

The pollsters didn't show blatant favoritism towards Bama when they put Bama in the NCG.  Seriously.  When you look at these two teams- if you make the argument that LSU is totally dominant over CFB this year, than just behind them, by a 3 pt margin has to be Bama.  It's not just that Bama had a better loss than OkState- I think it's the other 6 games on Bama/LSUs shared schedule that put Bama in the finals.  Bama should have played a stronger OOC schedule, but my guess is, if you put Bama against Oregon or WVU this year, the score would have been very similar to how LSU performed, as evidence above.  It may not make you happy, but all is how it should be. 

And as a parting shot- anyone that argues that the Superdome in New Orleans is a truly neutral field should be riding the short bus, or they've never been there.  17,000 team and fan tickets out of 72,000 in your opponent's back yard don't a neutral field make.

Since: Sep 12, 2007
Posted on: December 7, 2011 7:07 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

Dude, did you watch the 1st game?  The better team was Alabama by far.  Lsu had two chances to score in the game and got 6 points.  Alabama had about 5 chances to score and got 6 points.  The better team, lost.

Since: Jun 9, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 7:00 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

I'm sorry Dick the Tiger, but it's a flawwed system.  Regardless of what happens in the game against Alabama, LSU will be a paper champion.  It's ashame to because they are an excellent team, but if they win they will only be considered National Champion based on a flawwed system.  Now this system is creating more chaos with the massive conference movement that we're now seeing.  Teams like Boise State and Houston are so desperate to have chance to prove themselves against the elite teams that they have to join the Big East to get a shot at an AQ.  It's rediculous.  Somebody should slap handcuffs on Bill Hancock and his BCS cronies for taking a pure college game and corrupting it. 

Since: Feb 28, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 6:58 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

No doubt right now who is the Number 1 team in the country - LSU. If they lose to Alabama, then it is anyone's call and will be left up to a terrible system. Alabama, LSU and OK State would all have 1 loss if Alabama beats LSU. Then who would be the best team in the country? There would not be a clear cut best team, only a national champion based on BCS - I meant BS! 30 years from now in the National Championship list, there will be a champion, but for the football fans alive today, the only way to a decisive champion to emerge is for LSU to win. Otherwise, many teams will have a legitimate argurment as to why they should be considered the best! The BS BCS system needs to go the way of the DoDo! Time for a playoff!!!!!!

Since: Mar 13, 2010
Posted on: December 7, 2011 6:56 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

Was there a final poll last April after Connecticut won the men's basketball NC? NO! What is wrong with college football. The AP reminds me of the sore loser kid who ended the game prematurely by taking his ball and going home. Ignore the AP; they suck!

Since: Sep 10, 2007
Posted on: December 7, 2011 6:50 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

LSU fans don't want the AP to declare them "split national champions"!
We recognized tht it was a travesty when they tried to declare USC a "split national champion" in 2003 and it would be a travesty now.
If we can't beat Bama again, we're not the national champion. Period!
The BCS determines the only national champion!

Since: Jun 9, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 6:48 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

I agree Madmac.  The only way to ultimately decide the true champion this year is if LSU wins.  If they don't, it's just another chink in the old BCS armor, which at this is point is so full of holes all you need is just a couple slices of bread and you have a swiss cheese sandwich.  What the NCAA needs to do is grow a set and fire that good for nothing goof ball, Bill Hancock.  Hey Bill if the system works so well, why is there such a dichotomy of issues every year on who should be number 1.  The current system provides no real champion.  A true champion is determined through a tournament-style format.  The FCS division figured it out and made it work.  Use the bowl system as tournament to determine a true champion.  When they start doing that I'll start watching college football again. 

Since: Dec 12, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2011 6:45 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

MDHoosier I would like to make two points. The first being that the Giants were not spanked by the Patriots in the (07-08) regular season. They went into the fourth quarter with the lead and almost beat them (losing by 3 points if I recall correctly). The second is that the BCS Title game does not qualify a team as the National Champion. It entitles them to the coaches vote. The AP vote is still up for grabs. That being said, under the same logic that win or lose the SEC-CG LSU would have been the best 1 loss team in the country, I can see where a voter would still vote them #1 in the AP win or lose. LSU and Alabama will each have a loss if Alabama wins and if LSU still has a better resume they will deserve to stay ahead of 'Bama in that poll. The same way 'Bama didn't win the SEC, OK State won the Big 12, but 'Bama is still in the NCG. 

Since: Nov 20, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2011 6:45 pm

AP voter says LSU can't drop out of No. 1

I know that he was talking about that specific situation... but for him to proclaim that "this is the first year somebody is getting screwed by the system" is utter hogwash.

I think what he meant is this is the first time that the #1 team in the nation is getting screwed by the system.

Bottom line is LSU is the better team and should win this game.

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